Riding on a Photon: Is Time Really Eternal?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the hypothetical scenario of "riding on a photon" and its implications for the perception of time. Participants explore the theoretical limits of special relativity, particularly in relation to time dilation and the nature of time at the speed of light.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if they could ride a photon, their perception of time would be that the universe appears eternal, as their clock would stop from their point of view.
  • Another participant argues that postulating an impossible scenario under physics makes it nonsensical to ask what that theory would say about it.
  • A different participant discusses the implications of approaching the speed of light, noting that while they would see significant time dilation and clock desynchronization in a galaxy, the distance would compress to zero, leading to a complex understanding of time and distance at such speeds.
  • One participant reiterates the impossibility of having a rest frame at the speed of light, emphasizing that discussions about a photon's frame are speculative and not grounded in established physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of discussing scenarios involving riding on a photon. Some acknowledge the speculative nature of the discussion, while others challenge the premise itself, indicating a lack of consensus on the topic.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in defining scenarios at the speed of light, particularly regarding the assumptions made about time and space in special relativity. The implications of time dilation and the behavior of clocks at relativistic speeds remain unresolved.

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I do aware that it is impossible to be in a frame with C velocity.
But suppose I could ride a photon (suppose). Outside observers will say that my clock ( on the photon frame) will stop.
From my point of view (riding on the photon), all the universe will be eternity ( time will not run).

Is that correct?

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Once again, if you postulate a situation that is impossible under a particular physics theory, it makes no sense to ask "what would that theory say about this situation?"
 
See this thread...I think the closest you can get to meaningfully answering this sort of question is to talk about how certain things look in the limit as v approaches c:
if I'm moving at some very large fraction of c relative to the galaxy, not only do I measure the galaxy to be highly compressed in the direction I'm going, but I also see clocks on either end of the galaxy as wildly out-of-sync...if the galaxy is 100,000 light years long in its own frame, and I'm moving at speed v relative to it, then two clocks at either end of the galaxy which are synchronized in the galaxy's frame will be out of sync by (100,000 ly)*(v)/c^2 in my frame. So, in the limit as v approaches c, clocks on either end of the galaxy are out-of-sync by 100,000 years, so at the same moment that it's 2008 A.D. on the leading edge, it's 102,008 A.D. on the trailing edge. And yet in the limit as v approaches c, the distance between clocks along the direction of motion is compressed to zero. So in the limit, perhaps you could say that the photon's entire history is traversed instantly, since it's going zero distance and all the different clock-readings it passes are squashed together on this zero-length path. But again, there are a lot of aspects of the limit that aren't well-defined, and it's definitely not correct in SR to talk about a photon having its own rest frame.
 
hamilton00989 said:
I do aware that it is impossible to be in a frame with C velocity.
But suppose I could ride a photon (suppose). ...
As long as you know that you are doing science fiction (and not science) then go ahead and suppose whatever you want.
 

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