How Does Special Relativity Affect Perceptions of Simultaneity?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of special relativity on perceptions of simultaneity, particularly through a thought experiment involving photons emitted from a moving rectangular object. Participants explore the implications of different observers' perspectives on the timing of the photons' exit from the rectangle.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a scenario where two photons are emitted from the center of a moving rectangle, arguing that an observer on the rectangle perceives them as exiting simultaneously, while an external observer sees them exiting at different times due to the motion of the rectangle.
  • Another participant challenges the notion of "two different universes" by comparing it to the subjective interpretations of direction (left and right) when two observers face opposite directions, suggesting that the disagreement is about perspective rather than reality.
  • Further analogies involving an ant and a rabbit are used to illustrate the idea that different observers can describe the same event in conflicting ways without implying the existence of separate universes.
  • Some participants emphasize that the perception of simultaneity in relativity is subjective, similar to how directional terms depend on the observer's frame of reference.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the conflicting perceptions of simultaneity imply the existence of different universes or simply reflect different descriptions of a single reality. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the subjective nature of simultaneity in relativity, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the implications of these differing perceptions and how they relate to the concept of reality.

  • #31
Dale said:
The reconciliation is easy: whether something is “intuitive” or not is an opinion. Things are not objectively “intuitive” or not. Since it is an opinion, it can differ from person to person. My opinion is different from @FactChecker
Now everything is clear. Thank you.
 
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Dale said:
The reconciliation is easy: whether something is “intuitive” or not is an opinion. Things are not objectively “intuitive” or not. Since it is an opinion, it can differ from person to person. My opinion is different from @FactChecker
Yes, I should have been more clear. The fact that light beams going forward and backward in a relatively moving IRF are measured at the same speed leads me intuitively to accept that the clocks are set differently in that IRF. So the basic conclusion that simultaneity is relative seems intuitive. More than that is not "intuitive" to me.
 
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Dale said:
The reconciliation is easy: whether something is “intuitive” or not is an opinion. Things are not objectively “intuitive” or not. Since it is an opinion, it can differ from person to person. My opinion is different from @FactChecker. He and I are allowed to have different opinions.
That's called the relativity of intuition.
 
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