Solving Quadratic Equations: Why are Values Negative?

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The discussion revolves around understanding the factorization of quadratic equations, specifically addressing why certain values are negative in the context of the quadratic formula and factoring methods. The original poster presents a quadratic equation and questions the signs of the factors derived from it.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the reasoning behind the signs of factors in quadratic equations, questioning how negative values arise from the expressions. There are inquiries about the implications of the product and sum of factors, as well as the methods for factoring quadratics with different leading coefficients.

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Some participants have shared insights on the factorization process and methods such as the "AC method," while others are still seeking clarity on specific examples and the reasoning behind the signs of the factors. There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches to solving quadratic equations.

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Participants are discussing quadratics with varying coefficients and the implications of integer factorization. There is mention of constraints related to the leading coefficient and the conditions under which certain methods apply.

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Here is a quadratic equation along with its solution. There's only 1 thing I don't understand. In the brackets how do we know that the values are - 4 and - 5 as opposed to + 4 and + 5. Why are they both negative when the quadratic contains both a negative and a positive expression?

x2 - 9 + 20 = 0

(x - 4) (x - 5) = 0

x = 4 or 5
 
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Gringo123 said:
Here is a quadratic equation along with its solution. There's only 1 thing I don't understand. In the brackets how do we know that the values are - 4 and - 5 as opposed to + 4 and + 5. Why are they both negative when the quadratic contains both a negative and a positive expression?

x2 - 9 + 20 = 0

(x - 4) (x - 5) = 0

x = 4 or 5

Let me ask you a question.
If we have ab=0 ,
what does it suggest?
[at least either a or b has to be 0]
 
What happens when you multiply two negatives vs. adding two negatives?
 
I'll assume your original quadratic should read x^2 - 9x + 20 = 0.

When you have a quadratic with leading coefficient equal to 1, and integer coefficients, there is a simple process to follow to check whether the polynomial will or will not factor with integer constants.
Step 1: Write down all pairs of integers with product equal to the constant term.

Step 2: Look in your list for a pair whose SUM equals the middle coefficient. These are the appropriate choices. (IF there is no such pair, the given quadratic won't factor this way)

For yours, the constant is 20. There are two possible choices: 4 \text{ and } 5 and -4 \text{ and } -5. Since the second pair sum to -9, these are the choices, and you know

<br /> x^2 - 9x + 20 = (x-4)(x-5)<br />

As another example, consider factoring

<br /> x^2 - 6x - 27 = 0<br />

Step 1: Look for integer pairs that multipy to -27. There are two choices: 3 \text{ and } -9, and -3 \text{ and } 9. The first pair has sum -6, so those are your choices.

<br /> x^2 - 6x- 27 = 0 \Rightarrow (x-9)(x+3) = 0<br />

so the solutions are x = 9 \text{ and } x = -3.

Finally, consider x^2 - 11x + 8 = 0. Sets of integers with a product of 8 are 1 \text{ and } 8, 2 \text{ and } 4, -1 \text{ and } -8, -2 \text{ and } -4. None of these pairs sum to -11, so this polynomial doesn't factor using integers.

It is very important to remember that this method works ONLY when the leading coefficient (the coefficient of x^2) equals 1.
 
Gringo123 said:
Here is a quadratic equation along with its solution. There's only 1 thing I don't understand. In the brackets how do we know that the values are - 4 and - 5 as opposed to + 4 and + 5. Why are they both negative when the quadratic contains both a negative and a positive expression?

x2 - 9 + 20 = 0

(x - 4) (x - 5) = 0

x = 4 or 5
(x- a)(x- b)= x^2+ (-a-b)x+ (-a)(-b)<br /> <br /> (-a-b)= -(a+b) but (-a)(-b)= ab- the sum of two negative numbers is negative but the product of two negative numbers is positive.<br /> <br /> -4-5= -9, (-4)(-5)= +20.
 
Thanks a lot everyone. It's a lot clearer now.
 
Thanks to help from various people on this site I have learned how to solve trinomial quadratics when the coefficient of x2 is 1. However, I've now moved on to this type of quadratic. It seems that a different approach is needed:

2x2 - 7x - 15 = 0

I know from looking at the answers, that the factors required are as follows:
(2x + 3) (x - 5) = 0
But how did we arrive at + 3 and - 5? They don't add to make -7.
 
Gringo123 said:
Thanks to help from various people on this site I have learned how to solve trinomial quadratics when the coefficient of x2 is 1. However, I've now moved on to this type of quadratic. It seems that a different approach is needed:

2x2 - 7x - 15 = 0

I know from looking at the answers, that the factors required are as follows:
(2x + 3) (x - 5) = 0
But how did we arrive at + 3 and - 5? They don't add to make -7.

For quadratic equations where the coefficient of x2 is not 1, I like to use the "AC method."

ax2 + bx + c = 0

In the above equation, a, b, and c represent constants and x is the variable. First, multiply the a term and the c term. Then find two numbers whose sum is b and whose product is ac. After this you can factor by grouping after rewriting the equation using the two numbers you obtained in the previous step.

m + n = b
(m)(n) = (a)(c)

(ax2 + mx) + (nx + c) = 0
 

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