Deriving Solid Angle Formulation from Definition

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the derivation of the solid angle formulation from its definition, specifically focusing on the mathematical expression for solid angle and its relation to surface integrals. The scope includes theoretical exploration and mathematical reasoning regarding the projection of surface areas onto a unit sphere.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the formula for solid angle as a surface integral and seeks to derive it from the definition involving projections onto a unit sphere.
  • Another participant suggests that the factor of 1/|\mathbf{r}|^2 is necessary to scale the area of the surface patch down to its projection on the unit sphere, linking it to the proportionality of area to the square of the radius.
  • A later reply expresses a desire for a rigorous proof regarding the projection of an infinitesimal area onto a spherical cap, questioning the representation of \mathbf{r} in the context of the area scaling.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of "nonstandard analysis" as a means to rigorously handle infinitesimals, while also prompting clarification on the meaning of \mathbf{r} in the derived expression.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the rigor of proofs involving infinitesimals, with some advocating for nonstandard analysis while others suggest limit proofs. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the rigorous derivation of the solid angle formula.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of infinitesimals and the need for clarity on the representation of \mathbf{r} in the context of the solid angle derivation.

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Hello,
it is often written in books that the solid angle \Omega subtended by an oriented surface patch can be computed with a surface integral:

\Omega = \int\int_S \frac{\mathbf{r}\cdot \mathbf{\hat{n}} }{|\mathbf{r}|^3}dS

where r is the position vector for the patch dS and n its normal (see also wikipedia).
However I would like to know how to derive this formula from the definition of solid angle, that is: the area of the the projection of a surface on the unit sphere.I can already see that:

\frac{\mathbf{r}}{|\mathbf{r}|} \cdot \mathbf{\hat{n}} dS = cos(\theta)dS

where \theta is the angle between the position (unit)-vector for dS and the normal vector for dS

Unfortunately I don't understand where that |\mathbf{r}|^{-2} comes from.
 
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I think the 1/|r|2 factor just scales the area down to its projection on a unit sphere. Your expression

<br /> \frac{\mathbf{r}}{|\mathbf{r}|} \cdot \mathbf{\hat{n}} dS = cos(\theta)dS<br />

gives the projection of the surface patch on the sphere of radius |r|. Since area is proportional to the square of the radius, you need the 1/|r|2 to scale it down to the unit sphere.
 
Ok, thanks.
Now I see how it works.

I was just wondering how to sketch a rigorous proof that the surface area of an infinitesimal "disk" dA is projected onto an infinitesimal spherical cap d\Omega having area |\mathbf{r}|^{-2}dA.
 
In order to have a rigorous proof of anything involving "infinitesmals" you will need to to "nonstandard analysis" where infinitesmals themselves are rigorously defined! Otherwise you will need to be content with limit proofs. What does the "\mathbf{r}" represent in |\mathbf{r}|^{-2}dA?
 

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