Habitable exoplanets of white dwarfs

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The discussion revolves around the potential for habitable exoplanets orbiting white dwarfs, exploring their properties, formation, and detectability. Participants reference recent research and theoretical models regarding the habitable zones of these stars and the implications for planetary characteristics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that planets around white dwarfs would be tidally locked and possess H/He atmospheres, but the full range of their properties is uncertain and likely depends on the system's formation history.
  • There is speculation about the possibility of habitable planets existing within the diameter of the precursor red giant, with some arguing that while unlikely, it remains a possibility due to the dynamics of planetary formation from lost matter.
  • A participant cites a paper proposing that the habitable zone for white dwarfs extends from approximately 0.005 to 0.02 AU, with a habitable duration of at least 3 billion years, and discusses the potential for detecting such planets through transit surveys.
  • Concerns are raised about the habitability window of white dwarfs, noting that even the oldest white dwarfs would have a limited time frame for habitability, which could be around 6 billion years.
  • Participants discuss the implications of tidal locking on the climate of these planets, suggesting that one side would be perpetually heated while the other remains cold, potentially leading to extreme environmental conditions.
  • There is mention of historical parallels regarding the cooling of stars and its effects on planetary surfaces, drawing connections to past scientific theories.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the feasibility and characteristics of habitable planets around white dwarfs, with no clear consensus on the likelihood of their existence or the specifics of their properties. Disagreements exist regarding the implications of a planet's proximity to its white dwarf and the conditions necessary for habitability.

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Participants note that the discussion is limited by uncertainties regarding the formation processes of planets around white dwarfs and the assumptions made about their atmospheres and climates. The detectability of such planets also remains a topic of exploration.

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A while back a new arxiv paper was published.
"Transit surveys for Earths in the habitable zones of white dwarfs"
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1103/1103.2791v2.pdf
I finally got around to fully reading it, but I'll probably have to reread it to make it stick in my memory.

What would the properties of such a planet be? It would be tidally locked and have an H/He atmosphere, what else?

A cool thing is that the planet can be larger in radius than the parent white dwarf. A planet bigger than its sun.

The most appealing factor is that these would be easier to detect than around main sequence stars.

Have we currently detected any planets of white dwarfs?
 
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I'd guess that the properties of a planet around a white dwarf are nearly endless. I'm sure it all depends on the way the system was formed and such.
 
If it is in the habitable zone of the white dwarf, wouldn't it be inside the diameter of the precursor red-giant ??
 
Nik_2213 said:
If it is in the habitable zone of the white dwarf, wouldn't it be inside the diameter of the precursor red-giant ??

Probably. But with the differences in stars and the possibilities of planets forming from the lost matter of the red giant, I'd say its probably possible for there to be a habitable planet there. Unlikely is my guess, but probably possible.
 
From Scientific American: http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=habitable-exoplanets-could-exist-at-2011-04-01

Transit Surveys for Earths in the Habitable Zones of White Dwarfs
To date the search for habitable Earth-like planets has primarily focused on nuclear burning stars. I propose that this search should be expanded to cool white dwarf stars that have expended their nuclear fuel. I define the continuously habitable zone of white dwarfs and show that it extends from ≈0.005 to 0.02 AU for white dwarfs with masses from 0.4 to 0.9 M sun, temperatures less than ≈10^4 K, and habitable durations of at least 3 Gyr. As they are similar in size to Earth, white dwarfs may be deeply eclipsed by terrestrial planets that orbit edge-on, which can easily be detected with ground-based telescopes. If planets can migrate inward or reform near white dwarfs, I show that a global robotic telescope network could carry out a transit survey of nearby white dwarfs placing interesting constraints on the presence of habitable Earths. If planets were detected, I show that the survey would favor detection of planets similar to Earth: similar size, temperature, and rotation period, and host star temperatures similar to the Sun. The Large Synoptic Survey Telescope could place even tighter constraints on the frequency of habitable Earths around white dwarfs. The confirmation and characterization of these planets might be carried out with large ground and space telescopes.
But even a white dwarf that formed over 10 billion years ago would have a relatively short "habitable window" at the present time, only a few billion years. Though a white dwarf is essentially condensed, not changing its size significantly as it cools, it can cool by a sizable amount over the age of the Universe. From http://astro1.panet.utoledo.edu/~gthomps/Presentations/Fall07ABL9.25.pdf , an approximate equation for a white dwarf's luminosity is

(L/Lsun) = 8.4*10-4 * (M/Msun) * (time/(1 Gyr))-7/5
1 Gyr = 109 years.

So a WD's planet's temperature would vary as power -7/20 of the time since it became a WD.

Let's see how some familiar white dwarfs stack up
Which | Age | Mass(S) | Rad(S) | Lum(S) | Temp | a(AU) | Per(d) | Hab. window
Sirius B | 0.2 Gyr | 0.978 | 0.0084 | 0.026 | 25200 K | 0.16 | 24 | 0.12 Gyr
Procyon B | 3 Gyr | 0.602 | 0.01234 | 0.00055 | 7740 K | 0.023 | 1.7 | 1.8 Gyr

The habitability window is the amount of time where the planet's surface temperature goes from 1.1 * Earth's to 0.9 * Earth's, and is about 0.6 * current age. The oldest white dwarfs are around 10 billion years old, giving them a present-time habitability window of 6 billion years, close to the Earth's. A habitable planet would orbit at around 0.01 AU, with a period of about half a day.

A habitable planet of a white dwarf would get tidally locked, so one side always faces its star, like the Moon with the Earth.

There is an interesting historical parallel. In the late 19th cy., various scientists had proposed that the Sun is slowly cooling down, making the Earth's surface also slowly cool down. This is what would happen to a planet of a white dwarf.

There's also the question of whether a planet could form that close to a white dwarf, or if it formed elsewhere, how it could get that close.
 
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lpetrich said:
From Scientific American: http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=habitable-exoplanets-could-exist-at-2011-04-01

Transit Surveys for Earths in the Habitable Zones of White Dwarfs
That's where I first saw it. On the PF main page was link to the SciAm article. The IOP paper requires payment; while browsing qraal's blog I found a link to the arxiv copy. It didn't occur to me to search for it on arxiv. :rolleyes:

The author of the paper skips over the question of the origin of the planet, and discusses the detectability and potential habitability.

Being tidally locked, such a planet will have similarities to the planets thought to exist around M class red dwarfs. The habitable part of the planet will be along the terminator, while the light side and dark side will be overheated and underheated respectively; a nightside icecap and a dayside desert.
 

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