Calculus and Geometry with a Cubic Function and Straight Line

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The discussion revolves around solving a calculus problem involving a cubic function and a straight line, specifically focusing on part iv of the homework. Participants analyze the relationship between the cubic function and the line, attempting to demonstrate that c = -2b. One contributor suggests evaluating the given equation at x = a to derive an expression for c, while another emphasizes the importance of not assuming c = -2b without proof. The conversation highlights the need for careful algebraic manipulation and adherence to mathematical rigor in deriving relationships between variables. The discussion concludes with a recommendation to simplify the derived expressions for clarity.
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Homework Statement



I am asking about part iv).

[PLAIN]http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/7977/113ivb.jpg


Homework Equations



I guess they would be the ones in the earlier parts...

The Attempt at a Solution



In the given fact, I think x^3 - x - m(x - a) distance from the cubic function to the line. So for every point in (b, c), this would be negative.

I'm really not sure how to show c = -2b so I just tried to play with some algebra...

At x = b... b^3 - b - m(b - a) = 0

At x = c... c^3 - c - m(c - a) = 0

So they're both equal to 0...


b^3 - b - m(b - a) = c^3 - c - m(c - a)

so b^3 - b - mb = c^3 - c - mc

so by part i) b^3 - b - b(3b^2 - 1) = c^3 - c - c(3b^2 - 1)

so b^3 - b - 3b^3 + b = c^3 - c - 3b^2c + c

so -2b^3 = c^3 - 3b^2c

so b^2(3c - 2b) = c^3

but this doesn't look useful...

Thank you.
 
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Have you answered i, ii, and iii? Re iv, it looks like you didn't use the relation given in the problem (the one you don't have to prove).
 
=hotvette;3598514]Have you answered i, ii, and iii? ).


Yes..

Re iv, it looks like you didn't use the relation given in the problem (the one you don't have to prove).

Really? I think I did use it...

I got b^3 - b - m(b - a) = 0 by putting x = b in the given relation...
 
You might try doing the algebra first before substituting.
 
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hotvette said:
You might try doing the algebra first before substituting.

I did try that and got up to b^3 - b - mb = c^3 - c - mc which is what I wrote ...

Maybe you mean something else?
 
Yep, I see what you mean. I spoke before trying it (gotta stop doing that, it burns me too often). One thing you can do (not sure it would be accepted by your prof though) is to substitute c=-2b into your last expression and see if both sides are indeed equal.
 
Unfortunately, I don't think that's the best and proper way in math to do this? You'd have to work to show c = -2b and not assume it's true already...
 
Got it. Evaluate the given equation at x=a. After rearranging, you'll have an expression for c that is a ratio of polynomials in a & b. Substitute the expression for a and simplify.
 
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