Understanding Relativity: The Effects of Relative Motion and Mass

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of relativity, particularly concerning the effects of relative motion and mass when approaching the speed of light, especially in relation to massive objects like neutron stars. Participants explore theoretical scenarios and the nature of gravitational interaction in relativistic contexts.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that relativity indicates that as an object moves, its volume shrinks and mass increases, questioning if a neutron star would become a black hole when approached at 99% the speed of light.
  • Another participant counters that the source of gravity is not solely mass but also involves the stress-energy tensor, suggesting that the neutron star would not become a black hole from the perspective of the traveler.
  • A third participant mentions that the concept of relativistic mass is outdated, emphasizing that the invariant mass remains unchanged regardless of speed, which is what is typically referred to by physicists.
  • A participant humorously reiterates the initial question about the neutron star and extends it to ask if a person traveling at nearly the speed of light would perceive another person as a black hole.
  • One participant repeats the initial question about the neutron star, providing a link to additional reading material.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of relativity regarding mass and gravitational effects, with no consensus reached on whether a neutron star would appear as a black hole to a traveler moving at relativistic speeds.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of mass and gravity in relativistic contexts, as well as the implications of the stress-energy tensor in gravitational interactions.

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Well, relativity says whatever moves, it's volume shrinks and mass increases (as observed).
So if i am traveling at 99% c with respect to a massive neutron star, do that star become a black hole for me?
 
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No. Because the source of gravity isn't just mass, but the stress energy tensor. The way you interact with the neutron star is going to be different, but it's not going to turn into a black hole. The relativity aspect isn't lost. You can consider the problem from neutron star's perspective, and derive your trajectory. You will follow that same trajectory relative to neutron star from your own perspective.
 
Trojan666ru said:
So if i am traveling at 99% c with respect to a massive neutron star, do that star become a black hole for me?

If I am traveling at 99.999999999% c with respect to you, do you become a black hole for me? :wink:
 

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