Electrodynamics of moving bodies - §2: On the relativity of... (again)

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The forum discussion centers on Einstein's 1905 paper "On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies," specifically addressing the synchronization of clocks in a moving system. Participants clarify that the observers and clocks within the moving rod perceive themselves as stationary, allowing them to apply the synchronization criterion established in the paper. The discussion highlights the relativity of simultaneity, emphasizing that observers in different frames measure different time intervals due to the motion of the rod. Modern interpretations and resources, such as David Morin's free online chapter on special relativity, are recommended for clearer understanding.

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  • Understanding of Einstein's 1905 paper "On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies"
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  • Knowledge of Lorentz transformations and their implications
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  • Study the relativity of simultaneity using modern resources like David Morin's chapter on special relativity
  • Explore the derivation and application of Lorentz transformations in various frames
  • Investigate the historical context and evolution of relativity concepts since 1905
  • Examine the differences in translations of Einstein's original paper for better comprehension
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  • #31
What is the "Galilean metrics"?

In the standard formulation of Newtonian mechanics, there's time as an oriented 1D "real line" with the standard topology and space, which is a 3D Euclidean affine manifold. There's not (pseudo-)metrical meaning that would justify to introduce spacetime vectors as is very natural in special relativity leading to Minkowski space, where four-vectors have a very convenient meaning.
 
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  • #32
vanhees71 said:
What is the "Galilean metrics"?
Galilean spacetime is a special case of a Newton-Cartan spacetime
( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton–Cartan_theory )
which has
In Newton–Cartan theory, one starts with a smooth four-dimensional manifold M and defines two (degenerate) metrics.
A temporal metric t_{ab} with signature (1,0,0,0) used to assign temporal lengths to vectors on M
and a spatial metric h^{ab} with signature (0,0,0,1) [ used to assign spatial lengths to vectors on M].
 
  • #33
This doesn't look very natural though.
 
  • #34
vanhees71 said:
This doesn't look very natural though.

Your opinion has been noted.
It's an established approach in relativity research,
introduced by Élie Cartan[1][2] and Kurt Friedrichs[3] and later developed by Dautcourt,[4] Dixon,[5] Dombrowski and Horneffer, Ehlers, Havas,[6] Künzle,[7] Lottermoser, Trautman,[8] and others.
The point is...
can we formulate it to explain things and to make predictions that can be tested by experiment?
 
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  • #35
PeroK said:
We have a wagon of length L, as measured in a frame in which it is traveling with speed v to the right.
Is L the rest length of the wagon?
 
  • #36
David Lewis said:
Is L the rest length of the wagon?
No.
 

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