Quantum Zeno Effect: What is the argument?

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The discussion centers around the quantum Zeno effect, specifically the mathematical formulation and interpretation of survival probabilities in quantum systems under repeated measurements. Participants explore the derivation of key equations and the implications of measurement intervals on the Zeno effect.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the derivation of the survival probability and its approximation, questioning whether the relationship Ps = 1 - (ΔH)²t² is obvious.
  • Another participant suggests that the approximation is valid for small t and can be derived by expanding the exponential function, retaining terms up to order t².
  • There is a discussion about the limit of survival probability with N measurements, with one participant questioning how the final limit approaches 1 and whether t must also approach 0 for the Zeno effect to manifest.
  • One participant clarifies that performing N measurements at increasingly smaller intervals (δt = t/N) leads to the modified survival probability expression.
  • Another participant mentions that there are multiple approaches to understanding the limit of survival probability as N approaches infinity.
  • A participant requests further assistance in understanding the steps following the expansion of the exponential function.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the mathematical derivations and implications of the quantum Zeno effect. There is no consensus on the clarity of the explanations or the derivations presented.

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Some participants note that the derivations depend on specific conditions, such as the size of t and the nature of the measurements, which may not be fully addressed in the discussion.

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Every general explanation of the quantum zeno effect I've found is (from my perspective) so full of gaps that I cannot understand the explanation. I am wondering if anyone can help me fill in the gaps here?

The most detailed explanation I've found runs something like this:

Let |ψ0> be the initial quantum state of a system at time 0 and let |ψt> be its state at some later time t.

The dynamical evolution of the system is described by a unitary operator U(t) that is a complex function of the initial system's Hamiltonian: U(t) = e-iHt. Thus: |ψt> = U(t)|ψ0>.

The "survival" probability Ps that the system will still be in the initial state at t is given by:

Ps = |<ψ0t>|2 = |<ψ0|e-iHt0>|2

So far so good. But now standard explanations assert that:

Ps = |<ψ0|e-iHt0>|2 = 1 - (ΔH)2t2
(Where (ΔH)2 = <ψ0|H20> - (<ψ0|H|ψ0>)2)

Where does that come from? Is it meant to be obvious that 1 - (ΔH)2t2 follows from the left hand side?

At any rate, we can now define the Zeno time Z = 1/ΔH so that:

Ps = 1 - \frac{t^{2}}{Z^{2}}

Presumably this shows that as t gets smaller the probability tends to 1 so that the faster we measure the system after time = 0 the more probable it will be found in its initial state.

Now for the final bit. If we consider N measurements then we can understand the survival probability given those N measurements as:

P^{N}_{s} = (1 - \frac{t^{2}}{N^{2}Z^{2}})N

...so that in the limit of continuous measurements where N → ∞ we get:

\stackrel{Lim}{N→∞} P^{N}_{s} = 1

I just don't see how this final bit follows. After all, if t is large then increasing N won't bring on the QZE. Surely we also need t → 0 but I don't see how the above accounts for this.

Any help would be most appreciated, thanks.
 
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A few more details can be found, e.g., in
http://lanl.arxiv.org/abs/1311.4363
Read everything from Eq. (2) to Eq. (9).
In particular, in calculating the final limit, t is neither very large nor close to 0.
I hope it helps.
 
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James MC said:
Every general explanation of the quantum zeno effect I've found is (from my perspective) so full of gaps that I cannot understand the explanation. I am wondering if anyone can help me fill in the gaps here?
If you wish to understand such things properly, you should also study (carefully!) Ballentine section 12.2 pp338-343.

I'm happy to (try and) fill in any details more explicitly, but only after you've read Ballentine -- so that I don't have to repeat textbook stuff here. :biggrin:
 
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James MC said:
So far so good. But now standard explanations assert that:

Ps = |<ψ0|e-iHt0>|2 = 1 - (ΔH)2t2
(Where (ΔH)2 = <ψ0|H20> - (<ψ0|H|ψ0>)2)

Where does that come from? Is it meant to be obvious that 1 - (ΔH)2t2 follows from the left hand side?

It's an approximation valid for small t (obviously, because the expression becomes negative for t &gt; \Delta H). You can obtain it by expanding the exponential as

e^{-iHt} = \mathbb{1} - i H t - \tfrac{1}{2} H^{2} t^{2} + \dotsb
and only keeping the terms up to order t^{2} in the expression you get for the survival probability.


Now for the final bit. If we consider N measurements then we can understand the survival probability given those N measurements as:

P^{N}_{s} = (1 - \frac{t^{2}}{N^{2}Z^{2}})N

...so that in the limit of continuous measurements where N → ∞ we get:

\stackrel{Lim}{N→∞} P^{N}_{s} = 1

I just don't see how this final bit follows. After all, if t is large then increasing N won't bring on the QZE. Surely we also need t → 0 but I don't see how the above accounts for this.

You do measure after time intervals that become arbitrarily small. Instead of doing a single measurement after a time t, you perform N successive measurements at time intervals \delta t = \frac{t}{N}. That's why the \frac{t^{2}}{Z^{2}} changes to \frac{t^{2}}{N^{2} Z^{2}} in the expression for the survival probability.

As for the limit itself, there's more than one approach that might work. One way is to factor 1 - \frac{t^{2}}{N^{2} Z^{2}} as \bigl( 1 + \frac{t}{N Z} \bigr) \bigl( 1 - \frac{t}{N Z} \bigr) and use that \lim_{n \to \infty} \bigl( 1 + \frac{x}{n} \bigr)^{n} = e^{x}.
 
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I also tryed to understand this calculation and still don't get it. Can someone please help me with the next step after the expanding of the exponential?
 

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