##1^x =2## has complex solutions?

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The discussion revolves around the equation ##1^x = 2## and whether it has complex solutions. Participants explore the implications of defining ##1^x## in the context of complex numbers, including the use of logarithms and the nature of branches in complex analysis.

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  • Some participants reference a claim by 'Blackpenredpen' that solutions to ##1^x = 2## can be expressed as ##x = \frac{-i \ln(2)}{2\pi n}## for ##n \in \mathbb{Z}## and ##n \neq 0##.
  • Others argue that because ##1^x## is not injective, there may be multiple solution branches, and the proposed solution mixes these branches.
  • One participant calculates that for ##n=1##, the expression leads to ##1^x = 2##, suggesting the claim is valid.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about how ##1^x## is defined, indicating that complex manipulations can lead to incorrect conclusions.
  • Logarithmic properties are discussed, with participants noting that the logarithm of 1 has multiple values, which could affect the solutions.
  • One participant derives the solution by taking logarithms, highlighting the division by zero issue when considering ##\log(1)##.
  • Another participant corrects their earlier assumption that ##x## is real, suggesting a complex form for ##x## and deriving a relationship involving real and imaginary parts.
  • Discussion includes the nature of branches in complex logarithms and how they impact the evaluation of ##1^x##.
  • Some participants suggest that the definition of ##1^x## as ##e^{x \log(1)}## depends on the assigned argument for the logarithm at ##z=1##.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the proposed solutions and the definition of ##1^x##. There is no consensus on whether the solutions presented are correct or how to properly define the expression in the complex domain.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential for confusion arising from the non-injective nature of the function and the implications of using different branches of the logarithm. The discussion highlights the importance of defining terms clearly in complex analysis.

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There's a Youtube video claiming ##1^x=2## has solutions ##x= \frac{-i \ln(2)}{2\pi n}## with ##n \in \mathbb{Z}## and ##n \neq 0##. Is this solid?
The Youtuber 'Blackpenredpen' claims that ##1^x=2## has solutions ##x= \frac{-i \ln(2)}{2\pi n}## with ##n \in \mathbb{Z}## and ##n \neq 0##. someone else in a forum claims that because ##1^x## is not injective there are more solution branches and this solution mixes these branches somehow. Who is right?

Also, 'Blackpenredpen' does not show that ##1^{ \frac{-i \ln(2)}{2\pi n}}## is indeed equal to 2. He kind of waved it away with 'something something infinite amount of solutions but one of them is 2'. Is this correct?

 
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Let's see.
##1=e^{2\pi i}##.
Take for example ##n=1, x=\frac{-i \ln(2)}{2\pi}##.
We get
##1^x=(e^{2\pi i})^{\frac{-i \ln(2)}{2\pi}}=e^{(2\pi i)(\frac{-i \ln(2)}{2\pi})}=e^{ln(2)}=2##.
Looks right.

(Sorry, I don't watch videos.)
 
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Logarithm has many solutions if you do not take the principal branch.

$$\log(1)=0, 2 \pi i, 4\pi i,....$$
and so on. This video plays on that
 
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For ##n=2## I'd take ##1=e^{4 \pi i}##, etc.
I also
fresh_42 said:
want to know how ##1^x## is defined.
I remember the general definition, ##z^w=e^{w log(z)}##.
 
For those that did not watch the video, here it the derivation. Start with
$$1^x=2$$
Take the logarithm
$$\log(1^x)=\log2$$
Here is heavy lifting part:
$$x=\frac{\log2}{\log1}$$
Then wait that's dividing by zero unless:
$$x=\frac{\log2}{\log(e^{i(0+2\pi n)})}=\frac{-i \log2}{2 \pi n},\forall n\in\mathbb{Z}/0$$
 
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Let's see. I made the mistake of assuming that ##x## is real in my previous posts, sorry.

Say ##x=a+ib.##
\begin{align*}
1=e^{2\pi i}&\Longrightarrow 1^x=1^a \cdot 1^{ib}=e^{-2b\pi }=2\\
& \Longrightarrow b = n\cdot i -\dfrac{\log(2)}{2\pi}\;(n\in \mathbb{Z})
\end{align*}
##a## can obviously be any real number so ##x=a -\dfrac{\log(2)}{2\pi}\cdot i## if I didn't make a mistake again.
 
Well, within a branch logz of the log, which is a local inverse, ##z^w=e^{w logz}##. Branches are( can be seen as) vertical strips of width ##2\pi^{-}##, or ##[z_0, z_0+ 2\pi)##. Within any of these, the log is in bijection with ##\mathbb C-{0}##.

Then , within that branch:
##1^x=e^{x log(1)}=e^{xlog(ln|1|+iarg(1))}##. Then it all depends on what value of arg is assigned at ##z=1##. Which ,in this setup, would be within ##[ik2\pi, i(k+1)2\pi)##. We then just need an interval ##[iy, iy+2\pi)## containing the value ##iln2##

Or, within a slightly different setup, we use
##re^{i\theta}=r(cos(\theta)+isin(\theta))##
So it seems within a value of ##\theta=cos^{-1}(ln2)##.

Maybe you can argue that ##1^z:=e^{zln(1)}##, is Analytic and thus we can use the mean value to show it assumes the value ##2##.
 
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