Solving Quadratic Equations with Cosine: x= 1.4033+-2npi and x=1.9106+-2npi

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The problem involves solving the quadratic equation 18cos²x + 3cosx - 1 = 0, leading to solutions expressed in terms of cosine values and periodicity, specifically x = 1.4033 ± 2nπ and x = 1.9106 ± 2nπ. Participants are exploring the implications of these solutions and their periodic nature.

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  • Participants discuss the nature of the solutions, questioning why both positive and negative values for x are presented. There is also exploration of the relationship between different solutions and the periodicity of cosine functions. Some participants suggest that certain solutions may be equivalent due to the properties of cosine as an even function.

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There is an active exploration of the relationships between the solutions, with some participants suggesting that rounding may account for perceived differences. Others are questioning the validity of extending certain identities to related problems, indicating a productive dialogue around the concepts involved.

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Participants note that the solutions involve periodic functions, and there is discussion about the implications of using different integer ranges for n in the context of periodicity. The conversation also touches on the potential for confusion regarding the representation of solutions.

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Homework Statement



18cos^2x+3cosx-1=0

it's a quadratic equation whose solutions are x= 1.4033+-2npi and x=1.9106+-2npi


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The answers to this problem are given as x= +-1.4033+-2npi and x=+-1.9106+-2npi

Why are x's both positive and negative?

Thanks.
 
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I think you're missing another answer i think

4.3725±2npi
 


cos is an even function.
 


mtayab1994 said:
I think you're missing another answer i think
4.3725±2npi
That answer is there. It is the same as -1.9106±2npi.


solve said:
18cos^2x+3cosx-1=0

The answers to this problem are given as x= +-1.4033+-2npi and x=+-1.9106+-2npi

Why are x's both positive and negative?

Thanks.

To solve this, first substitute u=cos(x). With this, 18u2+3u-1 is a quadratic with solutions u=cos(x)=1/6 and u=cos(x)=-1/3. Each of these solutions for cos(x) will generate two families of solutions for x because cos(x)=cos(-x).

Note that you will also get four families of solutions for 18sin2x+3sin x + 1 = 0, but now the relevant symmetric is sin(pi-x)=sin(x) rather than cos(x)=cos(-x).
 


D H said:
That answer is there. It is the same as -1.9106±2npi.

How are those solutions equal?
D H said:
To solve this, first substitute u=cos(x). With this, 18u2+3u-1 is a quadratic with solutions u=cos(x)=1/6 and u=cos(x)=-1/3. Each of these solutions for cos(x) will generate two families of solutions for x because cos(x)=cos(-x).

Note that you will also get four families of solutions for 18sin2x+3sin x + 1 = 0, but now the relevant symmetric is sin(pi-x)=sin(x) rather than cos(x)=cos(-x).

Can I extend the identity cos(x)=cos(-x) to this problem below too?

cos4x=1/2

The answer given in my book: x=pi/12+-npi/2 and x=5pi/12+-npi/2

Can I write: x=+-pi/12+-npi/2 and x=+-5pi/12+-npi/2?
 


like mindscrape said cos is an even function.
 


solve said:
How are those solutions equal?
Your solution is -1.9106\pm2n\pi, n\in\mathbb N, mtayab1994's is 4.3725\pm2n\pi,n\in\mathbb N.

First, get rid of the ± in front of the 2n\pi. It's not really needed. Just let n range over all the integers instead of over the non-negative integers. Next, change your n to m. No change here; that n or m is just a label. So now we have -1.9106+2m\pi, m\in\mathbb Z versus mtayab1994's 4.3725+2n\pi, n\in\mathbb Z. Now set your m to n+1. Again there is no change to the solutions here; your n+1 is still ranging from -∞ to +∞. Your solution becomes -1.9106+2m\pi = -1.9106+2(n+1)\pi = (2\pi-1.9106) + 2n\pi = 4.3726 + 2n\pi. That difference of 0.0001 is just rounding error. They are the same solution.

Can I extend the identity cos(x)=cos(-x) to this problem below too?

cos4x=1/2

The answer given in my book: x=pi/12+-npi/2 and x=5pi/12+-npi/2
Sure. \cos4x=1/2 means 4x=\pm\pi/3+2n\pi, or x=\pm\pi/12+n\pi/2. With a little effort you should be able to show that the x=-\pi/12+n\pi/2 family of solutions and the textbook's x=5\pi/12+n\pi/2 are one and the same.

Can I write: x=+-pi/12+-npi/2 and x=+-5pi/12+-npi/2?

That is something you should not do. The reason is that your four families of solutions are really just two families.
 



Thank You. It's a bit over my head, but I'll try and work through it.

Also appreciate all the other answers in this thread.
 


If we have an answer of, say, 1+2k for k all integers, then this is the same as -1+2k, or 3+2k, or 1001+2k because all these answers are still the same set ...,-3, -1, 1, 3, 5,...
 

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