2.1.13 ok this isn't uv'+u'v

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The discussion revolves around solving the initial value problem given by the differential equation \(y'-y=2te^{2t}\) with the initial condition \(y(0)=1\). Participants explore different methods for finding the solution, including the use of integrating factors and integration techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using the integrating factor \(\mu(t)=e^{-t}\) to solve the equation.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the application of the product rule, stating "this isn't \(uv'+u'v\)." This sentiment is echoed by multiple participants.
  • A participant points out the derivative \(\frac{d}{dt}\left(e^{-t}y\right)=e^{-t}y'-ye^{-t}\) as a potential hint for continuing the solution.
  • Integration of the right-hand side \(2te^{t}\) is proposed, leading to the expression \(e^{-t}y=\int 2te^{t} \, dt =2e^t (t-1)+c_1\).
  • Participants discuss the final form of the solution, which includes terms like \(c_1e^t+2e^{2t}t-2e^{2t}\). However, there is no consensus on the correctness of the steps taken or the final expression derived.

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Participants express differing views on the correct approach to solving the differential equation, with no clear consensus on the method or the final solution. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best technique to apply.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the integration steps and the application of the integrating factor. Some participants appear to have different interpretations of the product rule in the context of the problem.

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$\tiny{2.1.{13}}$
$\textsf{Find the solution of the given initial value problem}$
$$y'-y=2te^{2t}, \quad y(0)=1$$
$\textit{Find u(x)}$
$$\displaystyle\exp\int -1 dt =e^{ t^{-1}}$$
$\textit{multiply thru with $e^{ t^{-1}}$} $
$$ e^{ t^{-1}}y'- e^{ t^{-1}}y=2te^{t}$$
ok this isn't uv'+u'v
$\textit{W|A}$
$$\color{red}{c_1e^t+2e^{2t}t-2e^{2t}}$$
 
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The integrating factor is:

$$\mu(t)=\exp\left(-\int\,dt\right)=e^{-t}$$

Try that...:)
 
$\tiny{2.1.{13}}$
$\textsf{Find the solution of the given initial value problem}$
$$y'-y=2te^{2t}, \quad y(0)=1$$
$\textit{Find u(x)}$
$$\displaystyle\exp\int -1 dt =e^{ -t}$$
$\textit{multiply thru with $e^{- t}$} $
$$ e^{-t}y'- e^{-t}y=2te^{t}$$
but still this isn't uv'+u'v
$\textit{W|A}$
$$\color{red}{c_1e^t+2e^{2t}t-2e^{2t}}$$
 
karush said:
$\tiny{2.1.{13}}$
$\textsf{Find the solution of the given initial value problem}$
$$y'-y=2te^{2t}, \quad y(0)=1$$
$\textit{Find u(x)}$
$$\displaystyle\exp\int -1 dt =e^{ -t}$$
$\textit{multiply thru with $e^{- t}$} $
$$ e^{-t}y'- e^{-t}y=2te^{t}$$
but still this isn't uv'+u'v
$\textit{W|A}$
$$\color{red}{c_1e^t+2e^{2t}t-2e^{2t}}$$

Hi,

Notice that, $\frac{d}{dt}\left(e^{-t}y\right)=e^{-t}y'-ye^{-t}$. I hope you can continue with this hint. :)
 
Sudharaka said:
Hi,

Notice that, $\frac{d}{dt}\left(e^{-t}y\right)=e^{-t}y'-ye^{-t}$. I hope you can continue with this hint. :)

$\tiny{2.1.{13}}$
$\textsf{Find the solution of the given initial value problem}$
$$y'-y=2te^{2t}, \quad y(0)=1$$
$\textit{Find u(x)}$
$$\displaystyle\exp\int -1 dt =e^{ t^{-1}}$$
$\textit{multiply thru with $e^{ t^{-1}}$} $
$$ e^{ t^{-1}}y'- e^{ t^{-1}}y=2te^{t}$$
$$(e^{-t}y)'=2te^{t}$$
$\textit{integrate}$
$$e^{-t}y=\int 2te^{t} \, dt =2e^t (t-1)+c_1$$
$\textit{Divide thru by $e^{-t}y$ and distribute}$
$$c _1e^t+2e^{2t}t-2e^{2t}$$
$$y(0)=c _1e^{(0)}+2e^{2(0)}t-2e^{2(0)}=1+2-2=1$$
 
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