2 balls involved in 1-D Elastic Collision

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This discussion focuses on the analysis of a one-dimensional elastic collision involving two balls with masses of 0.200 kg and 0.300 kg, and initial velocities of 1.50 m/s and -0.400 m/s, respectively. The participants clarify the application of the conservation of momentum and the relative velocity equation, specifically Newton's Law of Restitution, which states that the relative velocity of separation equals the negative relative velocity of approach in elastic collisions. The confusion arises from the interpretation of velocities post-collision, emphasizing that the difference between two negative velocities can yield a positive result.

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A ball of mass 0.200 kg has a velocity of 1.50i m/s; a ball of mass 0.300 kg has a velocity of -0.400i m/s (where "i" is supposed to be that unit vector along x-axis). They meet in a head-on elastic collision. (a) Find their velocities after the collision.

I know I can use the conservation of both momentum and kinetic energy to solve this problem. I've done that. I looked in the solution manual and the person who wrote the solution used a different method I don't comprehend. First, they state the conservation of linear momentum, then they related the final velocities and way I don't understand.

The following 2 equations are used to solve the problem in the solution manual:

conservation of momentum for the two-ball system gives us:
0.200 kg (1.50 m/s) + 0.300 kg(-0.400 m/s) = 0.200 kg V1f + 0.300 kg V2f

Relative Velocity Equation:
V2f - V1f = 1.90 m/s


The reason this second equation confuses me is because, if both the balls had negative velocities after the collision, then V2f - V1f would be a negative velocity, wouldn't it? ( don't know, that's why I'm here, asking :-P ) So, how do they come to that conclusion?
 
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"The reason this second equation confuses me is because, if both the balls had negative velocities after the collision, then V2f - V1f would be a negative velocity, wouldn't it?"

Not necessarily: (-6)- (-7)= 1. The difference between two negative numbers can be positive.
 
SpeeDFX said:
Relative Velocity Equation:
V2f - V1f = 1.90 m/s


The reason this second equation confuses me is because, if both the balls had negative velocities after the collision, then V2f - V1f would be a negative velocity, wouldn't it? ( don't know, that's why I'm here, asking :-P ) So, how do they come to that conclusion?
Just because both balls have negative velocities does not mean their difference must also be negative. -3 and -4 are negative numbers but -3 - (-4) is not.

Nevertheless, there is a relevant question here : "Why is this second equation valid?" OR "Why must the relative velocity be reversed ?" Notice that this second equation is basically saying : v2 - v1 = u1 - u2 (assuming the first ball is the lighter one)

This second equation is often called an "empirical law" and goes by the name of Newton's Law of Restitution. It is an experimentally determined law and as yet, the best derivation I can think of (have not seen an elementary derivation of it) goes along the following lines :

Imagine you are an observer sitting on ball #2. We shall describe the dynamics of the collision relative to your frame of observation. Writing the energy conservation equation (in your frame, you are at rest and only ball #1 moves) ,we have :

KE~(before) = \frac{1}{2}m_1 ~u_{1-rel}^2~~~~~~~--~~~(1)

and

KE~(after) = \frac{1}{2}m_1 v_{1-rel}^2 ~~~~~~~--~~~(2)

where

u_{1-rel} = u_1 - u_2 ~~and~~v_{1-rel} = v_1 - v_2

Sunbstituting and equating (1) and (2) gives :

\frac {1}{2} m_1(u_1 - u_2)^2 = \frac {1}{2} m_1(v_1 - v_2)^2

(u_1 - u_2)^2 = (v_1 - v_2)^2

This allows two possibilities


u_1 - u_2 = v_1 - v_2
or
u_1 - u_2 = v_2 - v_1

Of these two, the second one must be correct as the first would lead to a direct contradiction of momentum conservation.

It is important to note that this form of Newton's Law of Restitution is valid only for an elastic collision. The more general form is :

\frac {v_1 - v_2}{u_1 - u_2} = e ~(coef.~of~restitution)~,~~-1 \leq e \leq 0

For a perfectly elastic collision, e = -1 and for a perfectly inelastic collision, e=0.
 
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Thanks a lot for the assistance you guys. this has abeen huge help :)
 

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