Why does 2*pi*i equal 0 in euler's formula?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of Euler's formula and the implications of complex exponentials, particularly focusing on the claim that 2*pi*i equals 0. Participants explore the steps of a proof that leads to this conclusion and examine the validity of those steps within the context of complex analysis.

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  • One participant presents a proof that claims 2*pi*i=0, questioning where the error lies in the reasoning.
  • Another participant points out the periodic nature of sine and cosine, asking about the value of e^(4pi*i).
  • A participant notes that the logarithm function in complex analysis is multi-valued, suggesting the need to choose a single value branch or use a Riemann surface.
  • It is argued that the inference from e^(i*2*pi)=e^0 to i*2*pi=0 is invalid.
  • One participant explains that in polar form, angles that differ by 2*pi represent the same point, indicating that 2*pi is equivalent to 0 in this context.
  • Another participant acknowledges the multi-valued nature of complex exponentials as a reason for the confusion.
  • There is a clarification that the exponential function is not single-valued, and the logarithm is the function that is not one-to-one.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of the proof and the implications of complex exponentials. There is no consensus on the resolution of the initial claim that 2*pi*i equals 0.

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Participants highlight the importance of understanding the multi-valued nature of logarithms in complex analysis and the implications for the exponential function. The discussion reflects on the assumptions made in the proof and the need for careful consideration of definitions.

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I was playing around with euler's formula the other day and found this odd proof which says 2ipi=0. I know this is obviously wrong, but what was the step that went wrong? The "proof" goes like this:

start with e^(i*pi)+1=0
so -e^(i*pi)=1
multiply both sides by e e(-e^(i*pi))=e
factor a (-1) (-1)(e)(e^(i*pi))=e
add exponents (-1)(e^(i*pi+1))=e
take ln of both sides ln((-1)(e^(i*pi+1)))=1
use properties of logs ln(-1) + ln(e^(i*pi+1))=1
take ln of -1 i*pi + ln(e^(i*pi+1))=1
properties of logs i*pi + (i*pi+1)ln(e)=1
take ln(e) i*pi + i*pi+1=1
subtract 1 i*pi + i*pi=0
combine like terms 2*pi*i=0 ...

this even works in the original formula:
e^(i*2*pi)=cos(2*pi)+isin(2*pi)
e^(i*2*pi)=1
e^(i*2*pi)=e^0
i*2*pi=0 ...
 
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Well what's the period of sine and cosine? What's e^(4pi*i)?
 


in complex analysis, log function is a Multi-valued function,ln(z) = |z| + arg(z), you should choose a single value branch for log, or use Riemann surface
 


e^(i*2*pi)=e^0
i*2*pi=0

That inference, from line 1 to line 2 is invalid.
 


In "polar form", z=re^{i \theta}, \theta represents the angle the line from 0 to z makes with the positive real axis. In that sense, yes, 2\pi is the same angle as 0. That's why, as arildno suggested, in complex numbers, the exponential function is no longer single valued. f(x)= f(y) implies x= y only if f is single valued.
 


Ok I get it; so it's because complex exponentials have more than one solution.
 


HallsofIvy said:
That's why, as arildno suggested, in complex numbers, the exponential function is no longer single valued. f(x)= f(y) implies x= y only if f is single valued.
I think you mean it's not one-to-one! It's the logarithm that's not single-valued. :)
 

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