20% increase to civil war death toll

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a study suggesting that the death toll of the US Civil War may be significantly underestimated. Participants explore the implications of this study, share personal connections to the war, and discuss the historical context and brutality of the conflict.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Historical
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference a study indicating that the death toll of the Civil War may be much higher than previously accepted figures.
  • One participant shares personal family history, noting that several ancestors served in the Civil War, with only one dying in the conflict.
  • Another participant recounts the experiences of their ancestors, highlighting the injuries sustained and the historical context of their service.
  • There is a suggestion that the proposed increase in the death toll might still be too low, considering the poor documentation of soldiers and the brutal tactics used during battles.
  • A participant discusses the use of specific ammunition types, such as "buck and ball," and the intent behind these tactics to inflict wounds and disrupt enemy support systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying perspectives on the accuracy of the death toll and the historical context of the Civil War. There is no consensus on the exact figures or the implications of the study, indicating ongoing debate and differing viewpoints.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in historical record-keeping and the challenges in accurately assessing the death toll due to poor documentation and the nature of warfare at the time.

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At least 6 of my 8 great-great-grandfathers served in the civil war- but only one died in the war (my great-great-grandfathers were all born before the civil war started).
 
2 of my G4 fathers were in the Civil War. 1 was in the 7th Iowa and fought and was wounded at Pea Ridge. He had wrist and shoulder wounds, sounds like he was standing and holding a weapon to his shoulder when hit.

The other, well it is history now, was in Chivington's 3rd Colorado Calvary. They are noted only for the Sand Creek Massacre. Karma rules, he was murdered in Texas in 1873.
 
This increase might be far too low. There were lots of soldiers that were picked up in local recruiting efforts, for instance, with poor documentation. Low-ranking soldiers were often cannon-fodder back when battles were fought on open fields with ranked artillery. It was common for them to have to face grape-shot, and even chain-shot and bar-shot (more commonly used against naval ships). The CW was very messy and bloody.

I have a historian friend whose on-line name is related to this type of warfare and who has written numerous books on this subject. We can't dismiss the viciousness of the tactics used in the CW and say "that was in the past" because the use of such destructive shot was pervasive.

Please be advised that "buck and ball" was an acceptable load to use in CW muskets. Such a load was made up of a paper-wrapped cartridge using large musket balls (buck) along with smaller shot (balls). The intent was to cause as many wounds as possible, even if you didn't kill the enemy. If you could wound as many as possible and cause infections, you could tie up the enemy's support-systems. Our youngsters don't ever learn this stuff in their sanitized history studies. It's a shame, because perhaps we could drop support for some of the support for warring factions around the world. Things haven't changed much in 150 years...
 

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