205.o6.03 Find the body's displacement and average velocity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the displacement and average velocity of a body moving along a coordinate line, given its position function over a specified time interval. Participants explore the calculations involved in determining displacement, average velocity, speed, and acceleration, as well as the conditions under which the body changes direction.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants calculate displacement using the position function and arrive at different values, with one stating it is approximately 6.4548 m to the right, while another claims it is -12 m.
  • Average velocity is discussed, with differing calculations leading to values of -4 m/s and other interpretations of velocity as a vector quantity.
  • Participants explore the relationship between displacement, velocity, and acceleration, with some suggesting that integrating the velocity function could yield displacement, while others argue that the displacement function should be used directly.
  • There is confusion regarding the interpretation of negative velocity values, with discussions on how velocity is a vector and speed is a scalar.
  • For the question of when the body changes direction, some participants propose analyzing the velocity function, while others provide calculations that suggest no change in direction occurs within the specified interval.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the calculations for displacement and average velocity, leading to multiple competing interpretations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct values and the conditions for changing direction.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the calculations, particularly regarding the interpretation of negative values for velocity and the conditions under which the body changes direction. Some mathematical steps remain unresolved, and the dependence on the definitions of displacement and velocity is noted.

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$\tiny{205.o6.03}$
$\textsf{A body on a coordinate line such that it has a position}\\$
$\textsf{$\displaystyle s=f(t)=\frac{16}{t^2}-\frac{4}{t}$
on the interval $\displaystyle 1\le t \le 4$
with $s$ in meters and $t$ in seconds }$
$\textsf{a. Find the body's displacement and average vellocity
for the given time interval.}\\$
\begin{align}
\displaystyle
s(4)-s(1)&=\int_{1}^{4}
\left(\frac{16}{t^2}-\frac{4}{t}\right) \,dt \\
&=\left[-4\ln\left({\left| t \right|}\right)-\frac{16}{t}\right]_1^4 \\
&\approx-9.545-(-16)\\
&\approx6.4548 m \textit{ to the right}
\end{align}
$\textsf{b. Find the body's speed and acceration at the endpoints of the interval.}\\$

$\textsf{c. When if ever, during the interval does the body change direction? }$
 
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Displacement is simply the change in position:

$$\Delta s=s(4)-s(1)=\left[\frac{4}{4}\left(\frac{4}{4}-1\right)\right]-\left[\frac{4}{1}\left(\frac{4}{1}-1\right)\right]=-12\text{ m}$$

Hence, the average velocity is the displacement divided by the change in time:

$$\overline{v}=\frac{\Delta s}{\Delta t}=\frac{-12\text{ m}}{3\text{ s}}=-4\,\frac{\text{m}}{\text{s}}$$

Now, for part b), you will need to apply the calculus...

$$v(t)=s'(t)$$ and $$a(t)=v'(t)$$

For part c), which function do we analyze for change in direction? Displacement, velocity, or acceleration?
 
$\textsf{(a) Find the body's displacement and average vellocity
for the given time interval.}\\$
\begin{align}
\displaystyle
\Delta s=s(4)-s(1)&=\left[\frac{4}{4}\left(\frac{4}{4}-1\right)\right]-\left[\frac{4}{1}\left(\frac{4}{1}-1\right)\right]=-12\text{ m}\\
\\
v(t)=s'(t)&=\dfrac{4}{t^2}-\dfrac{32}{t^3}\\
\\
\Delta s &=\int_{1}^{4} v(t) \,dt = -12 \ m\\
\end{align}
$\textit{so the integral of $s'(v)$ or $v(t)$ will also give us displacement?}$
 
To find the velocity you will need to differentiate the displacement. Then, if you desire to find the overall change in displacement from the velocity, you would need to integrate...however, this would bring you back to where you were had you simply used the given displacement function in the first place.

If you had only been given the velocity function, then it would make sense to integrate in order to find the displacement. But, you were given the displacement function, so you only need to use that given function to compute a change in displacement.
 
$\textit{so s(t) is the displacement equation?}$

$\textsf{(b) Find the body's speed and acceration at the endpoints of the interval.}\\$
\begin{align}
\displaystyle
v(t)=s'(t)&=\dfrac{4}{t^2}-\dfrac{32}{t^3}\\
v(1)&=\dfrac{4}{(1)^2}-\dfrac{32}{(1)^3}=4-32=-28 \\
v(4)&=\dfrac{4}{(4)^2}-\dfrac{32}{(4)^3}=\frac{1}{4}-\frac{1}{2}=-\frac{1}{2} \\
\end{align}
$\textit{if $v(t)$ is speed the why are we getting negative values?}$
 
karush said:
$\textit{so s(t) is the displacement equation?}$

$\textsf{(b) Find the body's speed and acceration at the endpoints of the interval.}\\$
\begin{align}
\displaystyle
v(t)=s'(t)&=\dfrac{4}{t^2}-\dfrac{32}{t^3}\\
v(1)&=\dfrac{4}{(1)^2}-\dfrac{32}{(1)^3}=4-32=-28 \\
v(4)&=\dfrac{4}{(4)^2}-\dfrac{32}{(4)^3}=\frac{1}{4}-\frac{1}{2}=-\frac{1}{2} \\
\end{align}
$\textit{if $v(t)$ is speed the why are we getting negative values?}$

Check your arithmetic for $v(4)$. :D

Velocity is a vector, with a speed and direction. In one-dimensional motion, the sign of the function determines the direction...negative is to the left while positive is to the right. Speed is simply the magnitude of the velocity (the absolute value), and has no direction, it is a scalar.

For example, if I tell you I am going 90 mph on the highway, I have told you my speed. But if I tell you I am traveling south at 90 mph on the highway, then I have told you my velocity.
 
\begin{align}
\displaystyle
v(t)=s'(t)&=\dfrac{4}{t^2}-\dfrac{32}{t^3}\\
v(1)&=\dfrac{4}{(1)^2}-\dfrac{32}{(1)^3}=4-32= \left| -28 \right| =28 \ m/s \\
v(4)&=\dfrac{4}{(4)^2}-\dfrac{32}{(4)^3}=\frac{1}{4}-\frac{1}{2}= \left| -\frac{1}{4} \right| =0.25 \ m/s \\
\end{align}

better!

for (c) I got $t=12$
but that's not in the interval...
 
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It would be better to write the speeds this way:

$$\left|v(4)\right|=\cdots=\frac{1}{4}\,\frac{\text{m}}{\text{s}}$$

For c) you want to write:

$$v(t)=0$$

$$\frac{4}{t^2}-\frac{32}{t^3}=0$$

Multiply through by $$\frac{t^3}{4}\ne0$$

$$t-8=0$$

$$t=8$$

Thus, we know the direction does not change on the given interval.
 
ok, I did $a(t)=0$

I do some more of these ... too rusty..
 

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