2214.16 Related Rates With Draining Cone

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The discussion revolves around a related rates problem involving water draining from an inverted right circular cone. Participants explore the mathematical relationships between the dimensions of the cone and the rate at which the water is being drained, focusing on the application of calculus to derive the volume and its rate of change.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the problem and sets up the volume formula for the cone as \( V = \frac{1}{3}\pi r^2 h \), relating the radius and height through similarity of triangles.
  • Another participant derives the volume in terms of height and radius, leading to the expression \( V = \frac{9\pi}{16} h^3 \) but later identifies a potential error regarding the coefficient in the volume formula.
  • A third participant corrects the volume formula to \( V = \frac{3}{16} h^3 \) and provides a detailed differentiation to find \( \frac{dV}{dt} \), arriving at a different numerical result for the rate of drainage.
  • There is a discussion about the correct application of the volume formula and the implications of the coefficients used in the calculations.

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Participants express differing views on the correct formulation of the volume of the cone and the subsequent calculations. There is no consensus on the final rate of drainage due to the identified discrepancies in the volume expressions.

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Some participants note that the calculations depend on the correct interpretation of the volume formula for a cone, and there are unresolved issues regarding the coefficients used in the expressions for volume and rate of change.

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Water is being drained from a container which has the shape of an inverted right circular cone The container has a radius of $6 in$ at the top and a length of $8 in$ at the bottom. when the water in the container is $6 in$ deep, the surface level is falling at a rate of $0.9 in/sec$ find the rate at which water is being drained from the container.
 
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$$
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
V&=\frac{1}{3}\pi r^2 h\\
\frac{6}{8}&=\frac{r}{h}\\
\therefore \, r&=\frac{3}{4}h\\
V&=\frac{9\pi}{16} h^3\\
\frac{dV}{dt}&=\frac{27\pi}{16} h^2 \frac{dh}{dt}\\
\frac{dV}{dt}&=\frac{27\pi}{16}(6^2)(0.9)\\
&=171.76 \frac{in^3}{sec} \\
0r&= 54.675 \pi \frac{in^3}{sec}
\end{align*}
$$

hopefully
 
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karush said:
Water is being drained from a container which has the shape of an inverted right circular cone The container has a radius of $6 in$ at the top and a length of $8 in$ at the bottom. when the water in the container is $6 in$ deep, the surface level is falling at a rate of $0.9 in/sec$ find the rate at which water is being drained from the container.

Let $R$ be the radius of the conical container, $H$ be its height, $r$ be the radius of the conical volume of water, and $h$ be the height of the volume of water.

By similarity, we know:

$$\frac{R}{H}=\frac{r}{h}\implies r=\frac{hR}{H}$$

The formula for the volume of the water is:

$$V=\frac{1}{3}\pi r^2h=\frac{1}{3}\pi \left(\frac{hR}{H}\right)^2h=\frac{\pi R^2}{3H^2}h^3$$

Differentiate w.r.t time $t$:

$$\d{V}{t}=\frac{\pi R^2}{H^2}h^2\d{h}{t}$$

We are given:

$$R=6\text{ in},\,H=8\text{ in},\,h=6\text{ in},\,\d{h}{t}=-\frac{9}{10}\,\frac{\text{in}}{\text{s}}$$

And so, for this problem, we find:

$$\d{V}{t}=\frac{\pi\left(6\text{ in}\right)^2}{\left(8\text{ in}\right)^2}\left(6\text{ in}\right)^2\left(-\frac{9}{10}\,\frac{\text{in}}{\text{s}}\right)=-\frac{729\pi}{40}\,\frac{\text{in}^3}{\text{s}}\approx -57.3\,\frac{\text{in}^3}{\text{s}}$$

You used the correct formula for a cone, but when you wrote:

$$V=\frac{9\pi}{16}h^3$$

You neglected the 1/3 in the formula...you should have written:

$$V=\frac{3\pi}{16}h^3$$

Other than that minor error, the method you used itself was correct. :)
 
karush said:
$$
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
V&=\frac{1}{3}\pi r^2 h\\
\frac{6}{8}&=\frac{r}{h}\\
\therefore \, r&=\frac{3}{4}h\\
V&=\frac{9\pi}{16} h^3\\$$
According to your first line [math]V= \frac{1}{3}\pi r^2h[/math]
So this should be
[math]V= \frac{1}{3}\pi\left(\frac{9}{16}h^2\right)h= \frac{3}{16}h^3[/math]

[math]\frac{dV}{dt}&=\frac{27\pi}{16} h^2 \frac{dh}{dt}\\
\frac{dV}{dt}&=\frac{27\pi}{16}(6^2)(0.9)\\
&=171.76 \frac{in^3}{sec} \\
0r&= 54.675 \pi \frac{in^3}{sec}
\end{align*}
[/math]

hopefully
 

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