-242.17.8 Solve y''-10y'+25y&=2e^{5x} by variation of parameters.

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The discussion revolves around solving the differential equation \(y'' - 10y' + 25y = 2e^{5x}\) using the method of variation of parameters. Participants explore both the variation of parameters and the method of undetermined coefficients as approaches to find the particular solution.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the homogeneous solution as \(y_h = c_1 e^{5x} + c_2 x e^{5x}\) and proposes a particular solution of the form \(y_p(x) = v_1(x)e^{5x} + v_2(x)xe^{5x}\).
  • Another participant suggests using the method of undetermined coefficients, proposing \(y_p(x) = Ax^2e^{5x}\) and derives \(A = 1\), concluding \(y_p(x) = x^2e^{5x}\).
  • Subsequent calculations using variation of parameters are presented, leading to the same particular solution \(y_p(x) = x^2e^{5x}\) and confirming the overall solution \(y(x) = c_1 e^{5x} + c_2 xe^{5x} + x^2e^{5x}\).
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the clarity provided in the discussion.
  • Another participant discusses their experience with LaTeX, indicating that they have developed a proficiency that allows them to produce equations quickly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the homogeneous solution and the form of the particular solution, but there is a divergence in the methods used to arrive at the solution, with some favoring variation of parameters and others the method of undetermined coefficients. The discussion remains open regarding the preference for methods.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the integration constants in the variation of parameters method and the implications of their choices on the particular solution.

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$\textrm{Solve the given equation by variation of parameters.}$
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
y''-10y'+25y&=2e^{5x}\\
\end{align*}
$\textrm{the homogeneous equation:}$
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
x^2-10x+25&=0\\
(x-5)^2&=0\\
x&=5\\
y_h&=c_1 e^{5x}+c_2x^{5x}
\end{align*}
$\textit{now what}$
 
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Your fundamental solution set for the corresponding homogeneous equation is:

$$\left\{e^{5x},xe^{5x}\right\}$$

So now we take as our particular solution:

$$y_p(x)=v_1(x)e^{5x}+v_2(x)xe^{5x}$$

We may determine $v_1(x)$ and $v_2(x)$ by solving the system:

$$e^{5x}v_1'+xe^{5x}v_2'=0$$

$$\left(e^{5x}\right)'v_1'+\left(xe^{5x}\right)'v_2'=2e^{5x}$$

for $v_1'(x)$ and $v_2'(x)$ and integrating. :D
 
Let's first solve this ODE using the method of undetermined coefficients. We know the homogeneous solution is:

$$y_h(x)=c_1e^{5x}+c_2xe^{5x}$$

And so upon inspection of the RHS, we see that the particular solution will take the form:

$$y_p(x)=Ax^2e^{5x}$$

Differentiating, we obtain:

$$y_p'(x)=Ax(5x+2)e^{5x}$$

$$y_p''(x)=A\left(25x^2+20x+2\right)e^{5x}$$

Substituting into the ODE, we have:

$$\left(A\left(25x^2+20x+2\right)e^{5x}\right)-10\left(Ax(5x+2)e^{5x}\right)+25\left(Ax^2e^{5x}\right)=2e^{5x}$$

Distributing, and combining like terms, we get:

$$2Ae^{5x}=2e^{5x}$$

From this, we conclude $A=1$ and so:

$$y_p(x)=x^2e^{5x}$$

And so the solution is:

$$y(x)=y_h(x)+y_p(x)=c_1e^{5x}+c_2xe^{5x}+x^2e^{5x}$$

Okay, now back to variation of parameters. We need to solve the system:

$$e^{5x}v_1'+xe^{5x}v_2'=0$$

$$5e^{5x}v_1'+(5x+1)e^{5x}v_2'=2e^{5x}$$

First, let's divide through both equations by $e^{5x}\ne0$ to obtain:

$$v_1'+xv_2'=0$$

$$5v_1'+(5x+1)v_2'=2$$

Let's multiply the first equation by -5 and then add:

$$v_2'=2\implies v_1'=-2x$$

And so integrating (we need only 1 particular solution, so for simplicity, we take both constants of integration to be zero for simplicity...can you explain why not doing so would in fact not yield anything useful to our particular solution?), we obtain:

$$v_1=-x^2,\,v^2=2x$$

And so, our particular solution is:

$$y_p(x)=\left(-x^2\right)e^{5x}+\left(2x\right)xe^{5x}=x^2e^{5x}$$

This checks with what we found using the method of undetermined coefficients, and so we likewise conclude:

$$y(x)=y_h(x)+y_p(x)=c_1e^{5x}+c_2xe^{5x}+x^2e^{5x}$$
 
just want to thank you again for clearing up the fog.

btw

how do you manage to crank out the mountains of LaTEX you do to help everbody?

or do you have huge cut and paste library?
 
karush said:
btw

how do you manage to crank out the mountains of LaTEX you do to help everbody?

or do you have huge cut and paste library?

After almost 7 years of helping with math online, I think in $\LaTeX$ now. (Nerd)

It really takes little time...and when I am posting a series of equations, I typically just copy the last line and then modify it. :D
 

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