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The discussion revolves around the Ballmer experiment involving hydrogen gas and the emission spectrum observed when electrons transition between energy levels. Participants explore the nature of these transitions, the specific wavelengths emitted, and the implications of using isotopes of hydrogen.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why electrons do not return to the ground state (n=1) after excitation, suggesting they should return to n=1 instead of n=2.
  • Another participant notes that transitions to the n=1 state correspond to the Lyman series, which emits ultraviolet light, while the Balmer series involves transitions to n=2.
  • A participant inquires about the visibility of light emitted from transitions between higher energy levels, specifically questioning why certain transitions (e.g., n=4 to n=3) do not produce visible lines.
  • There is a suggestion that transitions from higher levels (e.g., n=9 to n=2) may not be in the visible range, prompting further exploration of wavelength calculations.
  • Participants encourage calculating the wavelengths of specific transitions to determine their presence in the visible spectrum.
  • Discussion includes the potential differences in results when using isotopes of hydrogen, such as deuterium, and how this affects the observed wavelengths.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the nature of electron transitions and their corresponding wavelengths. There is no consensus on the visibility of certain transitions or the implications of using hydrogen isotopes, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the need for calculations to determine the wavelengths of specific transitions and their visibility, highlighting the dependence on the understanding of quantum mechanics and atomic structure.

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hi
in Ballmer experiment we have a lamp of hydrogen gas and we put on it a high voltage in order to excite the electron . then we see 3 line of light. this 3 line of light are resulted from falling electron from layer with n=3 , 4 ,5 to layer with n=2.
in Ballmer expriment which we see Ballmer series , at normal state the electron is in layer with n=1 and when we pun on high voltage on lamp of hydrogen for observing the Ballmer series the electron must go up to the layers above layer with n=2 and then come back to layer with n=2. why in this expriment the electron do not return to layer with n=1? because i think the electron at first was in layer with n=1 and after excitation it must return to ground state which is the layer with n=1.
and if we use isotope of hydrogen instead of hydrogen whether the result of expriment change and why?
and why we use hydrogen gas?
thanks
 
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Hi yashar-
Very good questions. Of course, the electrons eventually have to return to the n=1 state. The transition wavelengths to the n=1 state (Lyman series) are shorter than the transitions to the n=2 state (Balmer series) and are in the ultra violet.
Discharge lamps containing deuterium are available, and the Balmer series lines have slightly shorter wavelengths than hydrogen, due to the change in the reduced mass correction. This is easily measurable using a good diffraction grating.
Bob S
 
thanks
another question
in Ballmer series does the electron fall from layer n=4 to layer n=3 .if does why we see 3 line of light that are originated from falling electron from layers n=3 , 4 , 5 to layer n=2 but we do not see the line of light that is originated from falling electron from layer n=4 to layer n=3 and there are just 3 line and no more line or why electron do not fall from (for example) layer n=9 to layer n=2.
according to your previous answer i think taht the light that is originate from falling electron from layer n=9 to layer n=2 or from layer n=4 to layer n=3 is not in visible range of light. is this true?
and do my english writing is understandable?
thanks
 
You have the formula for the hydrogen wavelengths, right? Calculate the wavelengths of the transitions in question and see for yourself whether they are in the visible range (about 400 to 700 nm) or not.
 
I agree with jtbell here.

If you don't know it already, find the equation that gives the wavelengths for hydrogen transitions, calculate the wavelengths for the transitions you are asking, and compare those to the wavelengths of visible light.
 

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