-311.1.5.8 Ax=b in parametric vector form,

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The discussion revolves around solving the equation $Ax=b$ in parametric vector form, where $A$ is given as a matrix. Participants explore the relationships between the variables and the implications of the row-reduced echelon form (RREF) of the matrix.

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  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the solutions of $Ax=b$ in terms of the RREF of the matrix and provides equations for $x_1$ and $x_2$ based on free variables $x_3$ and $x_4$.
  • Another participant questions the absence of the vector $b$ in the problem statement, suggesting a potential misunderstanding of the problem.
  • Several participants express confusion regarding the derivation of $x_1 = 2x_3 + 7x_4$, with some asking for clarification on this relationship.
  • A later reply confirms the expressions for $x_1$ and $x_2$ but notes that the representation should only involve two vectors corresponding to the free variables.
  • One participant admits to needing more practice with the concepts discussed, indicating a lack of clarity on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the expressions for $x_1$ and $x_2$, and there is ongoing confusion regarding the problem setup and the role of the vector $b$.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the initial problem statement, particularly whether it should be $Ax=0$ instead of $Ax=b$. This affects the interpretation of the solutions presented.

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Describe all solutions of $Ax=b$ in parametric vector form, where $A$ is row equivalent to the given matrix.
$A=\left[\begin{array}{rrrrr}
1&-3&-8&5\\
0&1&2&-4
\end{array}\right]$

RREF
$\begin{bmatrix}1&0&-2&-7\\ 0&1&2&-4\end{bmatrix}$
general equation
$\begin{array}{rrrrr}
x_1& &-2x_3&-7x_4 & =0\\
&x_2 &2x_3 &-4x_4&=0
\end{array}$
therefore
$x_1=2x_3+7x_4$
$x_2=-2x_3+4x_4$
assume next is $x=x_1[]+x_2[]+x_3[]+x_4[]$
but got ? looking at examples
anyway, so far
 
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You say the problem is to solve Ax= b. So where is "b"?
 
lets see if x is correct first...
$x=\begin{bmatrix}x_1\\x_2\\x_3\\x_4 \end{bmatrix}
=\begin{bmatrix}2x_3+7x_4\\-2x_3+4x_4\\x_3\\x_4 \end{bmatrix}
=\begin{bmatrix}0\\x_2\\0\\0 \end{bmatrix}
+\begin{bmatrix}2x_3\\-2x_3\\x_3\\0\end{bmatrix}
+\begin{bmatrix}7x_4\\4x_4\\0\\x_4\end{bmatrix}
=x_2\begin{bmatrix}0\\1\\0\\0 \end{bmatrix}
+x_3\begin{bmatrix}2\\-2\\1\\0 \end{bmatrix}
+x_4\begin{bmatrix}7\\4\\0\\1 \end{bmatrix}$
 
Why would x_1 be equal to 2x_3+ 7x_4????
 
Country Boy said:
You say the problem is to solve Ax= b. So where is "b"?
ok very sorry but it looks this was supposed to be Ax=0
 
Country Boy said:
Why would x_1 be equal to 2x_3+ 7x_4??

$\begin{array}{rrrrr}
x_1& &-2x_3&-7x_4 & =0\\
&x_2 &2x_3 &-4x_4&=0
\end{array}$
??
 
You have, correctly, You have, correctly,
$x_1= 2x_3+ 7x_4$ and $x_2= -2x_3+ 4x_4$

So $\begin{bmatrix}x_1 \\ x_1 \\ x_3 \\ x_4 \end{bmatrix}= \begin{bmatrix}2x_3+ 7X_4 \\ -2x_3+ 4x_4 \\ x_3 \\ x_4 \end{bmatrix}= x_3\begin{bmatrix}2 \\ 0 \\ 1 \\ 0 \end{bmatrix}+ x_4\begin{bmatrix}7 \\ 4 \\ 0 \\ 1 \end{bmatrix}$.

Since you are given $x_1$ and $x_2$ in terms of $x_3$ and $x_4$ you should have only two vectors times $x_3$ and $x_4$.
 
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ok i need to practice this more its still to foggy:unsure:
 

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