33.39 mL of the I2 solution from above is required to titrate a sample

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The discussion revolves around a chemistry homework problem involving the titration of a sample containing As2O3 using an iodine solution. Participants explore the calculations needed to determine the mass of As2O3 based on the volume of iodine solution used. Additionally, there is a separate inquiry into the nature of sigma and pi bonds in chemical bonding.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the need for the concentration of the iodine solution to calculate the moles of I2, indicating that molarity is likely involved.
  • Another participant provides the molarity of the iodine solution as 1.29 M and calculates the mass of As2O3 to be 4.26 g.
  • Participants discuss the nature of sigma and pi bonds, with one stating that there are 6 sigma bonds and 4 pi bonds in a given molecular structure.
  • Questions are raised about the order of bond formation, specifically whether sigma or pi bonds are created first, and the possibility of having pi bonds without sigma bonds.
  • One participant asserts that sigma bonds are created first, suggesting that ground state atoms must have sigma bonds due to the presence of s orbitals.
  • Another participant agrees with the assertion about the order of bond formation and clarifies that the first bond between two atoms is always a sigma bond, with any additional bonds being pi bonds.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the order of bond formation, with multiple viewpoints on the specifics of sigma and pi bonds. The calculation of the mass of As2O3 appears to have some consensus based on the provided molarity, but the initial problem remains unresolved for those lacking the concentration information.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference a previous solution for the iodine concentration, which is not included in the current thread. The discussion on sigma and pi bonds includes assumptions about atomic states and bonding that may not be universally applicable.

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Students studying chemistry, particularly those focusing on titration calculations and chemical bonding concepts, may find this discussion relevant.

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Homework Statement


33.39 mL of the I2 solution from above is required to titrate a sample containing As2O3. Calculate the mass of As2O3 (197.8 g/mol) in the sample.

As2O3 + 5(H2O) + 2I2 → 2(H3AsO4) + 4HI

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The Attempt at a Solution


MolarMass_I2=254 g/mol
MolarMass_As2O3=197.8 g/mol
1 mol As2O3:2mol I2

I know I would have to get the mol of both I2 and As2O3 somehow in order to plug them into that relationship above.

I think Molarity may possibly be involved.

The problem is that while I know that there is 0.03339 L of I2, I don't know the concentration of I2 so i don't know how I can arrive at the number of mol of I2.

Homework Statement


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How many sigma bonds? pi bonds?

The Attempt at a Solution


There are 6 sigma bonds since there are a total 6 of bonds between 6 atoms since all atoms have electrons in the s orbital.
There are 4 pi bonds between N and C, C and C, C and C, C and C. This is because each atom has electrons in orbital 2p.
 
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No way to solve the first problem without knowing concentration of iodine - but the problem states "solution from above", so most likely there were some information provided earlier.

Check what are pi bonds.
 
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Well... I didn't see the "solution above part". The solution of I2 has a molarity of 1.29 M. Using that, I found that the mass of As2O3 is 4.26g.

Also, pi bonds are the hybrid orbitals formed from the overlapping of 2 p orbitals.
 
WK95 said:
Also, pi bonds are the hybrid orbitals formed from the overlapping of 2 p orbitals.

Which bonds are created first - sigma, or pi? Is it possible to have a pi bond without sigma?
 
Borek said:
Which bonds are created first - sigma, or pi? Is it possible to have a pi bond without sigma?

I believe sigma bonds are created first. All ground state atoms will have s orbitals so for ground state atoms, there must always be sigma bonds right? If excited, then pi bonds can exist without sigma bonds.
 
WK95 said:
I believe sigma bonds are created first.

Good. Now, wherever there are two atoms bonded, first bond is sigma, rest - if they exist - are pi. How many sigma bonds? How many pi bonds?
 
Oh ok. i get it now. Thanks.
 

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