.7 x 10^-3Find Molar Mass of Weak Acid

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The discussion revolves around calculating the molar mass of an unknown weak acid based on titration data. Participants explore the implications of their calculations and the nature of the acid, considering its properties and potential identity.

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  • One participant describes dissolving 0.945 grams of an unknown weak acid in water to create a 100 ml solution and using 25 ml of this solution for titration.
  • It is noted that the acid is monoprotic, requiring 1 mol of acid to neutralize 1 mol of base, with 22.1 ml of base used at a concentration of 0.20 mol/l.
  • Participants calculate the moles of acid to be 4.42 x 10^-3 and discuss whether this should be multiplied by 4 to account for the total volume of the original solution.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about their calculations, suggesting rounding may have affected their results.
  • Another participant speculates that the acid could be non-monoprotic, proposing a possible molar mass of around 104.
  • There is a suggestion that the acid might be an obscure or uncommon compound, with a later guess that it could be ammonium chloride, which fits the molar mass discussed.

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Participants express differing views on the identity of the acid and the accuracy of their calculations. There is no consensus on the exact nature of the acid or the final molar mass, with multiple competing hypotheses presented.

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Participants mention potential issues with significant figures and rounding in their calculations. The discussion also highlights the uncertainty surrounding the identity of the acid and its properties.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and educators in chemistry, particularly those involved in titration experiments and the study of acids and their properties.

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(purpose is to find molar mass)

At the start we dissolved 0.945 grams of unknown weak acid into water and made it up to
100 ml

Then we used 25 ml of that solution and titrated it until the end point.
Now , this is a monoprotic acid so it's going to take 1 mol of acid to neutralise 1 mol of base

22.1 ml of base was used
the conc of the base is 0.20 mol/l

So with this I can find the moles of acid and I got 4.42 x 10^-3

This is the part am unsure of , am I suppose to multiply that number of moles by 4 ?
because that was the number of moles there was in that 25 ml sample and we started it with 100 ml

If I do multiply by four I get 52
 
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EvilBunny said:
this is a monoprotic acid

I assume that information was given beforehand?

am I suppose to multiply that number of moles by 4 ?
because that was the number of moles there was in that 25 ml sample and we started it with 100 ml

Correct thinking.

If I do multiply by four I get 52

Strange, that's not the number I got, although my is very close. Perhaps you have rounded down some intermediate result?

Strange thing is I have no idea what acid could it possibly be, solid and with so low molar mass.
 
EvilBunny said:
(purpose is to find molar mass)

At the start we dissolved 0.945 grams of unknown weak acid into water and made it up to
100 ml

Then we used 25 ml of that solution and titrated it until the end point.
Now , this is a monoprotic acid so it's going to take 1 mol of acid to neutralise 1 mol of base

22.1 ml of base was used
the conc of the base is 0.20 mol/l

So with this I can find the moles of acid and I got 4.42 x 10^-3

This is the part am unsure of , am I suppose to multiply that number of moles by 4 ?
because that was the number of moles there was in that 25 ml sample and we started it with 100 ml

If I do multiply by four I get 52

Exactly how are you getting 52 , are you dividing the original grams by the mole result? If so you should be getting a much higher number.

EDIT- Never mind just realized that you sampled the original solution.
 
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Okay thanks for your replies the teacher said my answer is reasonable. I had 52 because of signaficative figures and a bunch of roundings.

As for the low molar mass the teacher said its an acid you wouldn't know . So something obscure and uncommon or something of the sort
 
EvilBunny said:
As for the low molar mass the teacher said its an acid you wouldn't know . So something obscure and uncommon or something of the sort

My bet is that in reality it was not monoprotic, so the real molar mass was something like 104. "Acid you wouldn't know" may work for beginning chemistry students, but some of us have seen many acids in their lifes :wink:
 
EvilBunny said:
Okay thanks for your replies the teacher said my answer is reasonable. I had 52 because of signaficative figures and a bunch of roundings.

As for the low molar mass the teacher said its an acid you wouldn't know . So something obscure and uncommon or something of the sort


My guess is that it could be some kind of an amine - ammonium chloride - except that the molecular weight would need to be referenced to the original compound that you weighed out , the acid itself is the ammonium. My guess is that this compound is relatively cheap making it a good candidate. It is also solid at room temperature.

It is a wild guess ... since this lab is for high school right?
 
Good idea, NH4Cl fits molar mass. A little bit twisted :smile:
 

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