Finding Explosives with 8 Balls & 2 Weighings

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the identification of an explosive device hidden within one of eight ping-pong balls using only two weighings. Participants explore various strategies and assumptions related to the problem, including the weighing method and the implications of the scenario.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests splitting the balls into groups of four and weighing them to identify a safe group, implying that only one ball is needed for the match.
  • Another participant questions the practicality of the scenario, suggesting that the CIA should simply discard the entire batch of balls due to time constraints.
  • Concerns are raised about the lack of clarity in the problem statement, particularly regarding the weighing method and the objective of the weighings.
  • A participant rephrases the problem to focus on identifying a heavier ball among eight, emphasizing the use of a balance scale and the need for two weighings.
  • One participant outlines a specific weighing strategy involving weighing three balls against three others, discussing the implications of balance and imbalance in determining the explosive ball.
  • Another participant proposes a similar weighing method but highlights the need for delicate scales due to the small weight of the explosives.
  • Several comments introduce humor or unrelated remarks, such as questioning the identity of the president involved or making light of the situation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of viewpoints, with no clear consensus on the best approach to solve the problem. Some participants propose specific strategies while others critique the problem's assumptions and context.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the ambiguity in the problem's wording, including the lack of specification regarding the weighing method and the ultimate goal of the weighings. There is also uncertainty about whether the explosive ball is known to be heavier.

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The President is going to a ping-pong match in Tokyo. He is taking
8 balls with him. A terrorist has implanted one of the balls with
explosives, but they add such a small amount that no one can tell the
difference. The CIA has only enough time for TWO weighings before the
match.

I know that you must weigh more than one ball on each scale and that
you can get information from the good batch of balls. Can you help?
 
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Erm, I hate to be a pedant and all, but surely you only need a single ball for a match, so you just need to make sure that one ball has not got the explosive, you can do this by splitting the 8 balls into groups of 4, weigh 2 balls on each side for each group. The group which balances is safe giving you 4 balls to play ping-pong with, which is plenty. Dispose of the rest.
 
Yeah, the same problem can be stated with a much better scenario. Bringing ping pong balls to Tokyo? They have ping pong balls there already that you can use. Toss the entire batch and get new ones. The CIA only has time for two weighings? I'm sorry Mr. President, but we didn't have time to check thoroughly, you'll have to take your chances.
 
The problem doesn't even state what you're trying to achieve with these weighings? It also doesn't state whether you're using a balance or scales.

If you got this from a teacher, I would write an answer discussing the many holes in the question.
 
Don't be so picky. This is an old problem, retold. Getting rid of all of the story-line baggage,

You are given eight objects, seven of which have identical weights and the other of which weighs slightly more than anyone of the seven identical objects. You are to use a balance scale and a balance scale only to identify the heavy object. Moreover, you can only use the scale twice.

If you only had two objects you would simply weight the two objects against each other. The heavier object is instantly identifiable. The eight object problem can be solved with only two weighings. The trick, as the OP noted, is to weigh more than a pair of objects at a time (at least the first time, anyhow).
 
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If you know that the offending ball weighs more, then you can weigh 3 vs 3, if they balance then measure the other 2 and the heavier one is your ball, if they don't then weigh 2 of the heavier 3 against each other, if they balance it's the left over one otherwise it's the heavier one.

Is it possible if you don't know that the other ball is heavier? Or do you need 3 weighings?
 
You never specified which president was playing the match, you could have a variable of answers depending on your own political views.
 
You have two cows...
 
Maybe they're trying to find the one with explosives in it so they can give that one to the president. Given the current president of the US, that would seem the better option.
 
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This is the kind of terrorist dilemma that proves you should only handle your own balls, and never anybody else's.
 
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Weigh 2 balls if there is a mass difference discard the one with the higher mass and if they are the same take both and discard the rest or if they still aren't sure discard all .Im sure Tokyo is at no shortage of ping pong balls. by the way I agree with NeoDevin:approve:
 
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Ok, it took a good 20 minutes but I've got it. Label the balls a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h. Weight a, b, c against d, e, f. If they level out, then weight g against h and you're done. If they don't level out (for simplicity we'll say that a, b, c is heavier), then weight g, b, d against a, e, f. If they level out, then it is c. If g, b, d is heavier, it is b. If a, e, f is heavier, it is a.

:smile:

Edit: I overcomplicated things. It's much more simple to weight d against e for the second weighing.
 
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Assume x = bomb, o = normal

Weigh 3 random balls against 3 other random balls, so that 2 are unweighed.

If the 3 vs. 3 balances, then one of the 2 unweighed is the bomb. Weigh those two and the heavier one is the bomb. (ooo vs ooo = balanced; xo not weighed --> weigh the xo not weighed --> heavier ball is x)

If the 3 vs. 3 is imbalanced, then you know that the bomb is one of the 3 on the heavier side of the scale (ooo vs. oox = imbalanced). From the 3 balls on the heavier side of the scale (oox) weigh 1 random ball against another random ball. If the two sides balance (o vs o; x not weighed), then you know that the unweighed ball is the bomb. If the two sides do not balance (o vs. x) then you know that the ball on the heavier side of the scale is the bomb.
 
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pingpongballs said:
Weigh 3 random balls against 3 other random balls, so that 2 are unweighed.
And see to it that the scales you use are delicate. The weight of the explosives is small when compared to the weight of a ping pong ball. The terrorist was arrested when he purchased a package of band-aids to cover a small burn on one of his fingers from a test explosion gone out of control. Police were on the lookout and had alerted all of the grocery stores, pharmacies, convenience stores and public restroom vending machines.
 
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Lol where did this person get this question? "Freedom Highschool"?
 

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