9j symbol expansion in 6j symbols

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The discussion revolves around the expansion of the 9j symbol in terms of 6j symbols within the context of angular momentum in quantum mechanics. Participants are exploring the mathematical relationships and transformations between these symbols as described in Edmond's text, particularly focusing on the unitary transformations and tensor product decompositions involved.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on the reduction of the addition of four angular momentum operators to three in the context of the 9j symbol expansion.
  • Another participant explains that 3j, 6j, and 9j symbols arise from decomposing products of angular momentum representations into irreducible representations, suggesting a method for deriving relations between these symbols.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about how to derive 9j symbols from 6j symbols, particularly in the context of tensor product decompositions of Hilbert spaces.
  • One participant describes the process of decomposing Hilbert spaces into irreducible subspaces and how this relates to the transformation between different sets of basis vectors, but remains unclear on the specifics of the 9j to 6j symbol relationship.
  • Another participant reiterates their confusion regarding the tensor product decomposition and the meaning of certain symbols in the equations presented.

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Participants generally do not reach a consensus on the specifics of how to derive 9j symbols from 6j symbols. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the mathematical processes involved.

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Participants highlight limitations in their understanding of the tensor product decompositions and the definitions of the symbols involved, indicating that the discussion is still exploratory and lacks definitive conclusions.

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Hello everyone,

I'm going through Edmond's Angular momentum in quantum mechanics and I found a particular expansion of the 9j symbol in terms of three 6j symbols which I didn't quite understand.
The problem lies in equation 6.4.1 which I simply don't understand.

On page 100/101, (section 6.4), Edmond states that the unitary transformation
\langle (j_1 j_2) j_{12}, (j_3 j_4) j_{34},jm | (j_1 j_3) j_{13},(j_2 j_4)j_{24},jm \rangle can be performed in three steps. In each of these steps the coupling or addition of only three angular momentum operators is carried out.

He states :
\langle (j_1 j_2) j_{12}, (j_3 j_4) j_{34},jm | (j_1 j_3) j_{13},(j_2 j_4)j_{24},jm \rangle = \\ \Sigma \langle (j_1 j_2)j_{12},j_{34},j | j_1,(j_2 j_{34}) j&#039;,j \rangle \\<br /> \times \langle j_2,(j_3 j_4)j_{34},j&#039; | j_3,(j_2 j_4)j_{24},j&#039; \rangle\\<br /> \times \langle j_1,(j_3 j_24)j&#039;,j|(j_1 j_3)j_{13},j_{24},j \rangle.

However, I have no idea how he precisely reduces the addition of four angular momentum operator to three angular momentum operator in these steps. Can anyone explain this?
 
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It's worthwhile to recall that the 3j (or Clebsch-Gordan), 6j and 9j-symbols all arise from decomposing a product of angular momentum representations into a sum of irreducible representations. For a product of 2 irreps, we find 3j symbols. If we take a product of 3 irreps, we are lead to 6j-symbols. However, we can take a pair of the 3 spins and use the 3j-symbols to decompose the pairwise-product, and then take a product with the 3rd spin. By this we mean a distribution of the form:

$$ \mathbf{j}^{(1)} \otimes \mathbf{j}^{(2)} \otimes \mathbf{j}^{(3)} = \left( \mathbf{j}^{(12)}_1 \oplus \cdots \oplus \mathbf{j}^{(12)}_n \right) \otimes \mathbf{j}^{(3)}.$$

In this way, we will find expressions for the 6j-symbols in terms of the 3j-symbols. Similarly, we can use the 6j-symbols to decompose the product of a triplet of 3 spins in a product of 4 spins,

$$ \mathbf{j}^{(1)} \otimes \mathbf{j}^{(2)} \otimes \mathbf{j}^{(3)}\otimes \mathbf{j}^{(4)} = \left( \mathbf{j}^{(123)}_1 \oplus \cdots \oplus \mathbf{j}^{(123)}_n \right) \otimes \mathbf{j}^{(4)}.$$

This will lead to the relations between the 9j and 6j-symbols that you're asking about.

I wanted to explain the idea, rather than the details, which are tedious. But the mechanics of arriving at the explicit expressions is analogous to the steps needed to work out the C-G or 3j-symbols in the product of 2 spins. One lists all of the states on each side of the decomposition correspondence. Then one uses the SU(2) generators in the ladder combinations to find the highest and lowest-weight states. We can then use the ladder operators to act on these to fill out the rest of the multiplets.
 
I don't really see how you would get 9j symbols in terms of 6j symbols.

I understand that if we consider the triple product of Hilbert spaces H_1 \otimes H_2 \otimes H_3,that we can decompose it in two ways:
H_1 \otimes \left( H_2 \otimes H_3 \right) and \left( H_1 \otimes H_2 \right) \otimes H_3.

Then, decomposing into irreducible subspaces, we would find eigenvectors of the form |j_1 j_{23} jm \rangle in the first scheme and |j_{12} j_3 jm\rangle in the second.

Then the 6j symbols relate these two adding schemes, i.e. they constitute a unitary transformation between the two sets of basis vectors for H_1 \otimes H_2 \otimes H_3.

I see that these basis vectors can be decomposed in terms of 3j symbols (or CG-coefficients), so one could find a relation between 6j and 3j symbols.

How does this work in the product H_1 \otimes H_2 \otimes H_3 \otimes H_4?
I see we would consider
H_1 \otimes \left( H_2 \otimes H_3 \otimes H_4 \right),

and apply our knowledge from the first part. We would then have eigenvectors of the from
|j_2 j_{34} j&#039; m&#039; \rangle and |j_{23} j_4 j&#039; m&#039; \rangle and there would be a unitary transformation between these vectors.

However, I don't see how you would go from the basis vectors of \left( H_1 \otimes H_2 \right) \otimes \left( H_3 \otimes H_4 \right) to these eigenvectors and then to basis vectors of \left( H_1 \otimes H_3 \right) \otimes \left( H_2 \otimes H_4 \right).
 
Yoran91 said:
I don't really see how you would get 9j symbols in terms of 6j symbols.

...

How does this work in the product H_1 \otimes H_2 \otimes H_3 \otimes H_4?
I see we would consider
H_1 \otimes \left( H_2 \otimes H_3 \otimes H_4 \right),

and apply our knowledge from the first part. We would then have eigenvectors of the from
|j_2 j_{34} j&#039; m&#039; \rangle and |j_{23} j_4 j&#039; m&#039; \rangle and there would be a unitary transformation between these vectors.


Decomposing

$$H_1 \otimes H_2 \otimes H_3 \otimes H_4 = \oplus_a H_a$$

gives the 9j-symbols.

Decomposing

$$ H_2 \otimes H_3 \otimes H_4 = \oplus_\alpha H'_\alpha$$

gives 6j-symbols. If we now equate

$$\oplus_a H_a = H_1 \otimes \left( \oplus_\alpha H'_\alpha\right), $$

we'll start getting relationships between 9j and 6j-symbols.

However, I don't see how you would go from the basis vectors of \left( H_1 \otimes H_2 \right) \otimes \left( H_3 \otimes H_4 \right) to these eigenvectors and then to basis vectors of \left( H_1 \otimes H_3 \right) \otimes \left( H_2 \otimes H_4 \right).

You could do these splits and write 9j-symbols in terms of 3j-symbols. But this is equivalent to writing 9j-symbols in terms of 6j-symbols and then rewriting those 6j-symbols in terms of 3j-symbols.
 
I'm sorry but I still don't understand.

I don't see how the tensor product decomposition gives 9j symbols, or how the tensor product of three spaces gives 6j symbols, at least not in the case you've given.

All I know about the 6j symbols arising in the product is through rearranging the tensor product and then finding a unitary transformation between the two bases one obtains, as I've shown in the previous post.

I don't see what the 'a' in
H_1 \otimes H_2 \otimes H_3 = \oplus_a H_a is. Thus I don't understand what the 6j symbols would look like.
 
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