A ball is dropped from the top of a 55.0 m high cliff

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The problem involves a ball dropped from a 55.0 m high cliff and a stone thrown upwards from the base with an initial speed of 21.0 m/s. The objective is to determine the height above the base of the cliff where the two objects collide.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the equations of motion for both the ball and the stone, attempting to set up a relationship between their distances and the total height of the cliff.
  • Some participants question the correctness of the initial conditions and the assumptions made about the motion of the stone against gravity.
  • There are inquiries about the interpretation of the calculated displacements for both objects and how they relate to the collision point.
  • One participant notes the coincidence of the time calculated for the collision and the ratio of the cliff height to the stone's initial speed.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing calculations and questioning the meaning of their results. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to clarify the significance of the calculated distances, but there is no explicit consensus on the final answer or the interpretation of the results.

Contextual Notes

Participants have noted the importance of including units in their calculations. There is also mention of a specific answer being suggested, but it is met with skepticism and requests for further clarification on the working shown.

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Homework Statement


A ball is dropped from the top of a 55.0 m -high cliff. At the same time, a carefully aimed stone is thrown straight up from the bottom of the cliff with a speed of 21.0 m/s . The stone and ball collide part way up.

How far above the base of the cliff does this happen?

Homework Equations


d = vt+1/2at^2
d1 + d2 = 55

The Attempt at a Solution


Ball[/B]
v = 0
d = 1/2*9.8t^2

Stone
v = 21
d = 21t-1/2*9.8t^2 (I made it -9.8 because the stone is going up so it's fighting gravity, I hope I'm right)

Ball + Stone = 55
1/2*9.8t^2 + 21t-1/2*9.8t^2 = 55
21t = 55
t = 2.619

Stone:
21(2.619)-(1/2)(9.8)(2.619)^2 = 21.389

Ball:
(1/2)(9.8)(2.619)^2 = 33.6109

I don't understand what I'm supposed to do next.
 
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sunnyday said:

Homework Statement


A ball is dropped from the top of a 55.0 m -high cliff. At the same time, a carefully aimed stone is thrown straight up from the bottom of the cliff with a speed of 21.0 m/s . The stone and ball collide part way up.

How far above the base of the cliff does this happen?

Homework Equations


d = vt+1/2at^2
d1 + d2 = 55

The Attempt at a Solution


Ball[/B]
v = 0
d = 1/2*9.8t^2

Stone
v = 21
d = 21t-1/2*9.8t^2 (I made it -9.8 because the stone is going up so it's fighting gravity, I hope I'm right)

Ball + Stone = 55
1/2*9.8t^2 + 21t-1/2*9.8t^2 = 55
21t = 55
t = 2.619

Stone:
21(2.619)-(1/2)(9.8)(2.619)^2 = 21.389

Ball:
(1/2)(9.8)(2.619)^2 = 33.6109

I don't understand what I'm supposed to do next.

What do you mean next? You've got the answer, surely?

Note that you need to add units to your working, e.g. ##t = 2.619s##.

An an aside: the stone starts off at ##21m/s## and the initial distance between the stone and the ball is ##55m##. What do you get if you divide ##55## by ##21##?
 
Stone:
21(2.619)-(1/2)(9.8)(2.619)^2 = 21.389

Ball:
(1/2)(9.8)(2.619)^2 = 33.6109

I don't understand what I'm supposed to do next.[/QUOTE]
You have to answer the question: How far above the base of the cliff does this happen?
You got two numbers, explain what they mean. First, add units, as @PeroK said.
Clarify, at what distance from the base of the cliff the ball and stone collide.
 
PeroK said:
What do you mean next? You've got the answer, surely?

Note that you need to add units to your working, e.g. ##t = 2.619s##.

An an aside: the stone starts off at ##21m/s## and the initial distance between the stone and the ball is ##55m##. What do you get if you divide ##55## by ##21##?

When I divided 55/21, I got 2.619 (the same number as I got for seconds). I got 2 answers, the displacement for the ball (33.6109m) and the displacement for the stone (21.389m).
 
sunnyday said:
When I divided 55/21, I got 2.619 (the same number as I got for seconds). I got 2 answers, the displacement for the ball (33.6109m) and the displacement for the stone (21.389m).

How far about the cliff is the collision? Hint: think about the stone.

Is ##55/21 = 2.619## a coincidence?
 
sunnyday said:
I got 2 answers, the displacement for the ball (33.6109m) and the displacement for the stone (21.389m).
Answer the question: How far above the base of the cliff does the collision happen?
 
sunnyday said:

Homework Statement


A ball is dropped from the top of a 55.0 m -high cliff. At the same time, a carefully aimed stone is thrown straight up from the bottom of the cliff with a speed of 21.0 m/s . The stone and ball collide part way up.

How far above the base of the cliff does this happen?

Homework Equations


d = vt+1/2at^2
d1 + d2 = 55

The Attempt at a Solution


Ball[/B]
v = 0
d = 1/2*9.8t^2

Stone
v = 21
d = 21t-1/2*9.8t^2 (I made it -9.8 because the stone is going up so it's fighting gravity, I hope I'm right)

Ball + Stone = 55
1/2*9.8t^2 + 21t-1/2*9.8t^2 = 55
21t = 55
t = 2.619

Stone:
21(2.619)-(1/2)(9.8)(2.619)^2 = 21.389

Ball:
(1/2)(9.8)(2.619)^2 = 33.6109

I don't understand what I'm supposed to do next.
btw the answer is 27m
 
sunnyday said:

Homework Statement


A ball is dropped from the top of a 55.0 m -high cliff. At the same time, a carefully aimed stone is thrown straight up from the bottom of the cliff with a speed of 21.0 m/s . The stone and ball collide part way up.

How far above the base of the cliff does this happen?

Homework Equations


d = vt+1/2at^2
d1 + d2 = 55

The Attempt at a Solution


Ball[/B]
v = 0
d = 1/2*9.8t^2

Stone
v = 21
d = 21t-1/2*9.8t^2 (I made it -9.8 because the stone is going up so it's fighting gravity, I hope I'm right)

Ball + Stone = 55
1/2*9.8t^2 + 21t-1/2*9.8t^2 = 55
21t = 55
t = 2.619

Stone:
21(2.619)-(1/2)(9.8)(2.619)^2 = 21.389

Ball:
(1/2)(9.8)(2.619)^2 = 33.6109

I don't understand what I'm supposed to do next.
btw the answer is 27m
 
hadaidea said:
btw the answer is 27m
That's not what I get. Please post your working.
Btw, the thread is five years old.
 

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