A bus, a pendulum and acceleration

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The problem involves a bus descending a 20-degree slope while braking with constant deceleration, and a pendulum that moves 10 degrees from the vertical. The objective is to find the acceleration of the bus, which requires understanding the forces acting on both the bus and the pendulum.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the x-component of acceleration and its relation to the slope, with one participant attempting to derive expressions for force components. Questions arise regarding the angles involved and the relationship between the forces acting on the pendulum and the bus.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the problem, with participants providing insights into the force components and questioning the accuracy of their calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the analysis of forces parallel and perpendicular to the incline.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the implications of the angles involved and the relationship between the pendulum's motion and the bus's acceleration. There is a noted uncertainty about the correctness of the derived expressions for force components.

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Homework Statement



A bus is descending a uniform 20 degree slope. It brakes with constant deceleration. A pendulum moves 10 degrees away from the vertical to the downward side. Find the acceleration of the bus.

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Homework Equations



F=ma

The Attempt at a Solution




I can deduce the x-component of the acceleration:

ax = g tan 10 = 1.73ms^-2

The expected answer is 2.0ms^-2. I can't see how to relate the twenty degree slope to the x component of the acceleration to calculate the total acceleration.

Any help or advice gratefully received...
 
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jemerlia said:
I can deduce the x-component of the acceleration:

ax = g tan 10 = 1.73ms^-2
Careful: The acceleration is not horizontal.

Do this: Analyze force components parallel and perpendicular to the incline surface.
 
Thanks - point taken - I reworked the expressions for Fy and Fx in terms of string tension:

sumFy = FTcos 10 - mg cos 20

sumFx=FT sin10 - mg sin 20

m x ax = mg cos 20. tan 10 -mg sin 20

ax =g(cos20.tan10 -sin 20)

N.B. ax is x acceleration with xy co-ordinates of the slope!

Sadly the result is still 1.72ms^-2

Perhaps there is an error with FT cos10 and FT sin 10 in the two sum of forces expressions... and perhaps elsewhere...

Help, advice gratefully received...
 
jemerlia said:
Thanks - point taken - I reworked the expressions for Fy and Fx in terms of string tension:

sumFy = FTcos 10 - mg cos 20

sumFx=FT sin10 - mg sin 20
What angle does the string make with respect to the slope?
 

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