A discussion on "officially called a planet"

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The discussion revolves around the classification of a hypothetical Trans-Neptunian Object (TNO) referred to as "planet 9" and whether it would meet the current criteria established by the International Astronomical Union (IAU) for being classified as a planet. The scope includes theoretical considerations regarding definitions and classifications in astronomy.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions what classification a hypothetical TNO "planet 9" would fall under if detected, given it may not fit the IAU's current criteria.
  • Another participant suggests that it could be classified as a very large TNO.
  • A participant outlines the current IAU definition of a planet, noting the criteria including orbiting the sun, being nearly round, not being a satellite, and having cleared its orbit of debris.
  • Concerns are raised about the orbit-clearing criterion, with a participant arguing that objects at such distances may have eccentric orbits and struggle to clear their surroundings, thus questioning their classification as planets.
  • Another participant notes that while a 10 Earth mass object may be planet-sized, it cannot be classified as a dwarf planet or a rogue planet if it is in orbit, raising the issue of whether the definitions may need to be adjusted.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the hypothetical TNO could be classified as a planet under current definitions, indicating a lack of consensus on the classification criteria and the implications of the orbit-clearing requirement.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the current definitions, particularly regarding the orbit-clearing criterion and the implications for objects that may not fit neatly into existing categories.

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Forking a subject that was in risk of hi-jacking anther thread here.

If the hypothetical TNO "planet 9" is detected , it would not fit the IAU's current criteria of being a planet. What would it be ?

For the sake of discussion let's assume 10 Me and estimated likely distance and orbital period.

Would it fit an existing category or would it require a new term or another redefinition of what a "planet" is?
 
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A really big TNO(Trans-Neptunian Object)?
 
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Current definition:
  • orbits the sun
  • has sufficient mass to be round, or nearly round
  • is not a satellite (moon) of another object
  • has removed debris and small objects from the area around its orbit
https://www.space.com/25986-planet-definition.html

A more specific take on the 4th criteria is that it has a mass greater than the combined mass of all objects in a similar orbit.

Given the distance, I think such objects tend to have eccentric orbits and trouble clearing them. Thus I don't think they can be classified as planets.
 
Yes , the orbit clearing thing is what caught Plluto out, but a 10Me it can't be called a dwarf planet; neither is it a rogue if it is orbiting.

It's planet sized but not a planet. Will we need to move the goalposts again?
 
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