A double alpha disintegration?

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The discussion revolves around the observation of a double alpha disintegration captured in a cloud chamber, specifically involving radon and its decay products. Participants explore potential explanations for the simultaneous emission of two alpha particles from a single source, considering both decay chains and random chance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes observing a double alpha disintegration from radon, suggesting it could be due to a decay chain involving polonium and lead.
  • Another participant notes that short half-lives of isotopes like 214Po make two decays within a millisecond plausible, proposing random chance as an alternative explanation.
  • A participant questions whether a single radon atom could expel two alpha particles without distinct steps in the decay chain occurring closely together in time.
  • Discussion includes the concept of short-lived intermediate nuclei and the complexities surrounding their existence in alpha decay processes, with mention of double proton emission and double beta decay as related phenomena.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms behind the observed double alpha disintegration, with no consensus reached on whether it is due to a decay chain or random chance.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the uncertainty surrounding the existence of intermediate nuclei in rapid decay processes and the implications for understanding alpha decay.

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Hi everybody; I was watching footage from a cloud chamber and I stumbled upon a double alpha disintegration; both particles came from the same spot and their trajectory was shaped as a V; the only radioactive element which was in the air was the natural radon; after consulting the disintegration chain, I think that the only phenomenon which can explain that is a disintegration tfrom radon to polonium and an immediate disintegration of that polonium to lead.

Is there other way to explain this phenomenon?

Thanks for reading.
 
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214Po has a half-life of only 160 microseconds and various other isotopes have similarly short half-lifes, so two decays within a millisecond are not uncommon.
Frank Einstein said:
Is there other way to explain this phenomenon?
Random chance - two independent decays at roughly the same place and time.
 
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Well I gess that's true, but I was wondering if it is possible for a single Rn atom to expell two alpha particles and not to have two steps of the disintegration chain separated little time.
 
The intermediate nucleus can be so short-living that the question "did it really exist?" becomes tricky. I don't think that happens for alpha decays, however.

There is double proton emission and of course double beta decay, the latter clearly without a proper intermediate nucleus.
 
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I see.
Thank you very much for anwsering me.
 

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