A gaseous mixture contains ethane and propane problem

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The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving the calculation of mass percent of ethane in a gaseous mixture containing ethane and propane, based on the amount of oxygen required for complete combustion. The focus is on the mathematical approach and reasoning behind the solution, including the sensitivity of results to the values used in calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster presents a method for calculating the mass percent of ethane but finds a discrepancy between their result and the textbook's solution.
  • One participant requests to see the calculations to better understand the approach taken.
  • Another participant notes that the problem is sensitive to errors and discusses how different molar masses can lead to significantly different results.
  • There is a suggestion that using more precise molar masses could alter the outcome of the calculations.
  • Clarification is sought regarding the variable 'x', which represents the number of moles of oxygen that reacted with ethane.
  • One participant suggests that choosing the amount of ethane or propane as the unknown might simplify the analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the approach to solving the problem, particularly regarding the choice of variables and the sensitivity of the results to the values used. There is no consensus on the correct method or the final answer.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the potential for significant variation in results based on the precision of molar masses used in calculations. The equations presented are noted to be closely parallel, indicating that small changes can lead to large differences in outcomes.

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Homework Statement


A 9.780-g gaseous mixture contains ethane (C2H6) and propane
(C3H8). Complete combustion to form carbon dioxide
and water requires 1.120 mole of oxygen gas. Calculate the
mass percent of ethane in the original mixture.

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The Attempt at a Solution


7/2 mol O2 burns 1 mole ethane, then x mole O2 burns 2x/7 mole ethane (A)
5 mole O2 burns 1 mole propane, then (1.12-x) mole O2 burns (1.12-x)/5 mole propane (B)
Multiplying A and B with ethane's and propane's molar masses and adding them will give 9,78g.
So solving that for x and then recalculating A for ethane and finally then dividing by 9.78 should give mass percent of ethane.
But, this solution disagrees with solution manual, mine is %29,14, textbook's %38.
I do understand the solution(there's a solution besides an answer) of textbook but I do not understand why mine is incorrect!
 
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Show your math, description is just hard to follow.

Generally speaking it is an example of a problem in which the final result is extremely sensitive to errors (so called ill-conditioned set of equations). My approach to the solution called for solving two equations. Depending on molar masses used I got very different results:

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=solve+44.09562*y+30.06904*x=9.78+and+7/2*x+5*y=1.12+for+x,+y

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=solve+44*y+30*x=9.78+and+7/2*x+5*y=1.12+for+x,+y

(click on "approximate form" to see the decimal result).

Note the plot - it contains two lines, each representing one of the equations. They are almost parallel, which means shifting one of them by a minute amount (which is what I did by using more precise molar mass) results in a huge difference in the final result.

Actually it is not surprising the lines are parallel, when "normalized" these equations look like

3.07x + 4.50y = 1
3.13x + 4.46y = 1

Do you see how similar they are?
 
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I use my blackboard for solutions so I had to take a picture of all, hope you will read my writing :)
 

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I still don't understand why you expect me to spend time guessing what your x is, instead of explaining it so that I don't have to waste time.

It is number of moles of oxygen that reacted with ethane, right?

Your equation looks OK, what I wrote still holds. Put more precise molar masses into the equation in the upper right corner and you will end with substantially different result.
 
Sorry, I thought it was pretty obvious :)
Yes, it is the number of moles of O2.

Thank you for the help.
 
skepticwulf said:
Sorry, I thought it was pretty obvious :)

It is not quite a natural choice of a single unknown. I would go for amount of ethane or amount of propane (after all, that's what you want to find). Not that the choice of unknown invalidates your approach, it just makes it more difficult to analyze.
 

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