Molar Ratio Problem: Find Ethane to Methane

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The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving the calculation of the molar ratio of ethane to methane in a gas mixture at standard temperature and pressure (STP), given the density of the mixture. Participants explore different methods and approaches to find this ratio, addressing both theoretical and practical aspects of gas behavior.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a method to find the ratio by assuming a volume of gas and calculating moles based on the ideal gas law, leading to a 1:1 ratio.
  • Another participant challenges the initial calculations, stating that 1 mole corresponds to 22.4 liters, not the other way around, and suggests using the relationship between molar mass and density for gas mixtures.
  • A different approach is suggested involving molar fractions and the weighted average of molar masses, leading to a calculation that results in a ratio of approximately 1:1.22.
  • Further calculations by another participant yield a molar fraction of 0.25 for methane, suggesting a ratio of 1:4, but this is later contested regarding the interpretation of the ratio.
  • Clarifications are made about the correct interpretation of ratios, with one participant noting that a molar fraction of 0.25 corresponds to a 1:3 ratio, not 1:4, and expressing frustration with the problem's presentation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct method to calculate the molar ratio, with some supporting the initial approach and others advocating for alternative methods. There is no consensus on the final ratio, as interpretations of the calculations lead to multiple competing views.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the initial assumptions and calculations, particularly regarding the application of the ideal gas law and the definitions of molar mass in mixtures. The discussion reflects ongoing uncertainty and refinement of ideas without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Homework Statement



Unknown amounts of methane and ethane are mixed at STP. The resulting mixture has a density of 1.18 g/L. Find the ratio of ethane to ethane.

The Attempt at a Solution



Since it's a ratio, we can convert it to 1 mol methane : X mol ethane

1 L methane at STP = \frac{RT}{P} = \frac{.08206 * 273}{1} = 22.402 mol

X L ethane at STP = 22.402X mol

d = \frac{m}{V}
1.18 = \frac{1.18(22.402 + 22.402*X)}{2*22.402}
1 = X

So it's a 1:1 ratio.

I was talking to someone who's better at chemistry than I am, and he said it got a 1:4 ratio. Plus, this method doesn't seem right since I didn't use the masses of CH4 or C2H6 (which would mean that there would always be a 1:1 ratio, regardless of the compounds). How do I do this?
 
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You are wrong from the start - V is not RT/P, 1L is not 22.4 moles. Quite the opposite - 1 mole is 22.4 liters.

Hint: for ideal gas there is a simple dependence between molar mass and density. And "molar mass" in the case of a gas mixture can be expressed as a weighted (by molar fractions) average of molar masses of components.
 
Borek said:
You are wrong from the start - V is not RT/P, 1L is not 22.4 moles. Quite the opposite - 1 mole is 22.4 liters.

Hint: for ideal gas there is a simple dependence between molar mass and density. And "molar mass" in the case of a gas mixture can be expressed as a weighted (by molar fractions) average of molar masses of components.

So...

n = PV/RT, setting V = 1 gets .044 mol of CH4 and .044*X mol C2H6.

1.18 = (.044*16+.044*X*30)/(2)

X = 1.22...so it's 1:1.22 which is about 4:5?

My teacher gave me this question btw, the choices for the answer were:

A) 1:2
B) 1:4
C) 1:1
D) 4:1
E) none of the above
 
Borek said:
You are wrong from the start - V is not RT/P, 1L is not 22.4 moles. Quite the opposite - 1 mole is 22.4 liters.

Hint: for ideal gas there is a simple dependence between molar mass and density. And "molar mass" in the case of a gas mixture can be expressed as a weighted (by molar fractions) average of molar masses of components.

I know that d = PM/RT, where M is the molar mass.

I solved for it and got M = 26.434 g/L, but don't know where to go from there.
 
Imagine you have 1 mole of mixture. Assume molar fraction of one gas is x. That means you have x moles of one gas and 1-x of another, and total mass is x*molar mass of the first gas + (1-x)* molar mass of the second gas. Total mass of one mole is just a molar mass. Can you calculate amounts of both gases in the mixture?
 
Borek said:
Imagine you have 1 mole of mixture. Assume molar fraction of one gas is x. That means you have x moles of one gas and 1-x of another, and total mass is x*molar mass of the first gas + (1-x)* molar mass of the second gas. Total mass of one mole is just a molar mass. Can you calculate amounts of both gases in the mixture?

x mol CH4
1-x mol C2H6

16*x + 30*(1-x) = 26.434
-14*x = -3.566
x ~ .25

So it's a 1:4 ratio.
 
Why is the way I did it in my second post incorrect though?

Edit: Nevermind
 
ƒ(x) said:
x ~ .25

So it's a 1:4 ratio.

If x is 0.25, it is 1:3, or 1 in 4, but not 1:4. For 1:4 you would need x=0.2.

Yeah, I know - there is 1:3 answer. But that's not my fault.
 
Borek said:
If x is 0.25, it is 1:3, or 1 in 4, but not 1:4. For 1:4 you would need x=0.2.

Yeah, I know - there is 1:3 answer. But that's not my fault.

Eh...I'm not a fan of my chem professor.

Thanks for walking me through this.
 
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Oops, I meant "there is no 1:3 answer". But you probably got it.
 

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