A general form derivative problem

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The discussion revolves around the general form of derivatives, particularly focusing on the nth derivative of a function defined as a composition of other functions. Participants explore the implications of applying derivatives to composite functions and seek to clarify the correct formulation for higher-order derivatives.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a formula for the nth derivative of a composite function, suggesting that it can be expressed as a product involving the nth derivative of the outer function and a function k evaluated at the inner function.
  • Another participant challenges this proposal, providing the first and second derivatives of the function and arguing that they do not align with the proposed formulation.
  • A third participant references Faà di Bruno's formula, indicating that the topic may involve complex mathematical concepts.
  • A later reply seeks to clarify the context by introducing a specific function and its nth derivative, providing additional details about the variables involved and the nature of the function.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus, as there are competing views regarding the formulation of the nth derivative of composite functions. The discussion remains unresolved with differing interpretations of the derivative relationships.

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The discussion includes references to specific mathematical formulas and functions, but there are limitations in the clarity of assumptions and definitions, particularly regarding the function k and its role in the proposed derivative formulation.

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Hello,
Suppose that f(x)=g\left(h(x)\right), then can we write f^{(n)}(x)=g^{(n)}\left(h(x)\right)\times k\left(h(x)\right)??
Note: f^{(n)}(x)=\frac{d^n\,f(x)}{dx^n}.
Regards
 
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saeddawoud said:
Hello,
Suppose that f(x)=g\left(h(x)\right), then can we write f^{(n)}(x)=g^{(n)}\left(h(x)\right)\times k\left(h(x)\right)??
Note: f^{(n)}(x)=\frac{d^n\,f(x)}{dx^n}.
Regards
No.
f'(x)=g'(h(x))h'(x)
f''(x)=g''(h(x))[h'(x)]2+g'(h(x))h''(x)

It doesn't look anything like what you are proposing.
 
Thanks for replying. Let me to be more specific now, I think it may simplify the general form as given by Vid. I want to find the n^{th} derivative with repect to sof the following function:

\frac{\Psi(a,b;\varphi^-(s))-\Psi(a,b;\varphi^+(s))}{\sqrt{(\zeta-s)^2-4\beta^2}}​

where

\varphi^{\pm}=(\zeta-s)\pm \sqrt{(\zeta-s)^2-4\beta^2}​

and

\frac{\partial^n}{\partial z^n}\Psi(a,b;z)=(-1)^n\,(a)_n\Psi(a+n,b+n;z)​

where

(a)_n=a(a+1)\ldots (a+n-1)​
 

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