A general methodical way to solve all first degree first order

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The discussion revolves around the search for a general method to solve first degree first order differential equations. Participants explore various techniques and methods, including the Prelle-Singer method and symmetry analysis, while expressing concerns about the limitations of existing approaches and the challenges posed by certain equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a single, general solution method exists for all first degree first order differential equations, noting the variety of existing techniques and their limitations.
  • Another participant asserts that there is no general method applicable to all such equations.
  • A reference is made to a colloquium where an expert indicated that the general form of first order differential equations remains an open problem.
  • Some participants propose the Prelle-Singer method as a potentially general method, stating that it can find solutions if they can be expressed in terms of elementary functions.
  • It is noted that the Prelle-Singer method may only apply when the equation is the quotient of two polynomials, with further clarification that it can also handle polynomials of elementary functions.
  • Another participant mentions that the Prelle-Singer algorithm can solve first order differential equations with Liouvillian solutions, providing an example of such an equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence of a general method for solving first degree first order differential equations. While some advocate for the Prelle-Singer method, others emphasize its limitations and the lack of a universally applicable solution.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of first order differential equations and the dependency of methods on specific forms of the equations. Limitations regarding the applicability of the Prelle-Singer method and the challenges in identifying symmetries are noted.

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Is there a single, general, solution guaranteeing method that can be applied to any first degree first order differential equations? I know there are a lot of techniques or should I say categorizations for solving these types of equations, like linear, homogeneous, Bernoulli equations, exact/inexact equations etc. But sometimes I encounter problems that seem to be unsolvable with any of the mentioned methods and do not seem obvious enough to solve by inspection. Other than numerical methods, are there any such analytical paths?
 
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There is no general method.
 
A D.E. guy whose name, unfortunately, I don't remember was taking questions after his colloquium presentation. He was asked what are some of the great unsolved problems in differential equations. He went to the board and wrote$$
y' = f(x,y)$$
 
I think the most general method for first order ODE's currently is the Prelle-Singer method: IF the solution of the ODE can be expressed in terms of elementary functions, the Prelle-Singer method can find the solution.

Symmetry analysis is also a very general method, but it requires that you find a symmetry of the ODE first, which can be as hard as solving the ODE itself. It is very easy to check if a symmetry is indeed a symmetry of the ODE, so a database of often encountered symmetries can be used to solve the ODE, most first order solution methods (i.e. Bernoulli transformation) use a known symmetry to solve the problem.
 
bigfooted said:
I think the most general method for first order ODE's currently is the Prelle-Singer method: IF the solution of the ODE can be expressed in terms of elementary functions, the Prelle-Singer method can find the solution.

Apparently that method applies only if ##y'= f(x,y)## is the quotient of two polynomials.
 
LCKurtz said:
Apparently that method applies only if ##y'= f(x,y)## is the quotient of two polynomials.

yes, but they can be polynomials of elementary functions, not just polynomials in y like y'=(a+by^2)/(cy^3+dy^4). The Prelle-Singer algorithm can solve 1-ODEs with Liouvillian solutions, e.g. y'=(y+1+exp(y)*x^4)/x^2y
 

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