A general question about quantum physics

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The discussion revolves around the understanding of quantum physics in the context of studying the historical development of atomic models, particularly focusing on the transition from the Bohr model to more advanced theories. Participants express confusion about the extent of knowledge required regarding quantum mechanics for their studies in inorganic chemistry.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the breadth of quantum physics necessary for understanding atomic models, specifically in relation to their inorganic chemistry curriculum.
  • Another participant suggests that the Bohr model, which incorporates quantum ideas, is sufficient for understanding atomic structure, emphasizing the concepts of allowed and not allowed states.
  • A third participant points out limitations of the Bohr model, such as its inability to explain the emission spectra of complex atoms and the fine structure of spectral lines, and mentions the significance of the Pauli exclusion principle.
  • One participant recommends focusing on modern theories rather than historical misconceptions, arguing that early ideas like wave-particle duality can lead to confusion and should be approached with caution.
  • Links to resources, including books and articles, are provided for further exploration of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the extent of quantum physics knowledge necessary for the study of atomic models. There are differing views on the relevance of historical context versus modern theories.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the historical development of atomic models and the evolution of quantum theory, noting that some early concepts may be misleading or outdated. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity and confusion surrounding quantum physics as it relates to classical models.

elia gomez
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hello,
I have come across "quantum physics" during the curriculum of an Inorganic chemistry course. and since the topic is too broad, I'm confused a bit about what exactly do I need to know ( or to which extent should I learn about this theory). we are studying the historical development of the atom model , and quantum mechanics comes along as the reason to why Bohr's model was no longer accepted. my question is what would be enough to know about the theory , to serve this study aim ( the development of the atom model).
Thanks in advance.
 
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Quantum physics is confusing because it is radically different way of thinking from the classical particle model of anything. But the Bohr's model which uses quantum ideas to generate a semi-classical model of atoms should be sufficient. basic idea that there are allowed states and not allowed states and their number including the spin quantum number of electron.
 
Hi elia gomez, you could have a look at

The Bohr Model (clickable overview, HyperPhysics) and Failures of the Bohr Model (HyperPhysics).

Furthermore, the Bohr model could not account for e.g. 1) the emission spectra (i.e. the energy levels) of more complex atoms and 2) the fine structure (small splittings of spectral lines). Also, the Pauli exclusion principle is an important concept which was formulated more than ten years after the Bohr model.
 
elia gomez said:
my question is what would be enough to know about the theory , to serve this study aim ( the development of the atom model).

For chemistry Griffiths book is often used:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/9332542899/?tag=pfamazon01-20

I wouldn't worry much about the historical development stuff. It was basically inspired intuition - interesting from a historical viewpoint but things have moved on a lot since then. Best not to be confused by some of the misconceptions of the early pioneers, some of which still hang about even now and confuse people eg the so called wave particle duality which was consigned to the dusbin of history when Dirac came up with his transformation theory at the end of 1926. It however still hangs about and confuses people:
http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0609163

If the history really interests you, and it is indeed interesting, best to study the modern theory first so you have the correct basics in place.

Here is a synopses of later developments leading up to Diracs transformation theory:
http://www.lajpe.org/may08/09_Carlos_Madrid.pdf

Thanks
Bill
 

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