A new route for refugees and migrants to Europe

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the routes taken by refugees and migrants to Europe, specifically focusing on the crossing into Norway via Russia. Participants explore the implications of immigration policies in Norway and Finland, the enforcement of asylum application rules, and the experiences of refugees in these contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that refugees are now taking a longer route into Norway via Russia, using bicycles due to border restrictions.
  • Others suggest that Finland's harsher immigration policies may deter refugees from entering there, leading them to prefer Norway.
  • There is a claim that the rule requiring refugees to apply for asylum in the first EU country they reach is no longer enforced, with Norway being a non-EU member.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the current enforcement of asylum rules and the impact of rumors on refugees' decisions.
  • Humor is introduced regarding Denmark's immigration policies and a controversial drawing related to immigration discussions in the region.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the enforcement of asylum application rules or the motivations of refugees regarding their chosen routes. Multiple competing views remain regarding the immigration policies of Norway and Finland.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of clarity on the current enforcement status of asylum rules and the potential influence of media coverage on refugees' perceptions and decisions.

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Some of them are now taking the long way around, into Norway via Russia, just a few miles from the Arctic Ocean. There's a catch, though. The Russians don't let them walk across the border, and the Norwegians don't let drivers bring people in who don't have the proper papers. So they ride bicycles, which are piling up on the Norwegian side of the crossing.

Seeking asylum on children's bicycles (BBC News)

In the whole of 2014 just seven asylum seekers crossed over the Storskog border crossing. In October alone there have been 1,100. Some are from Iraq, Afghanistan and Lebanon but most are from Syria.

I wonder why they don't save some time and distance by entering via Finland.
 
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I think Finland has a lot harsher policy towards immigrants and refugees. The Finns party that is in the government got about 20% of the votes and they're against immigration. Finland was also one of only a few countries that voted against the refugee quotas in EU. So I imagine most refuges see Norway as a better option than Finland and especially since refugees are expected to apply for asylum in the first EU country they reach.
 
Incand said:
especially since refugees are expected to apply for asylum in the first EU country they reach.
That rule seems to be no longer enforced for a few months already. Also, Norway is not an EU member.
 
Krylov said:
That rule seems to be no longer enforced for a few months already. Also, Norway is not an EU member.
Yes it doesn't seem to be anymore but even if it ain't enforced I expect a lot of refugees heard rumours about other being stopped by police or sent back even if it's a few months earlier. Norway is however part of the Schengen agreement which I believe regulate this. But then I'm not exactly an expert on the subject so I could be wrong. I just happens to be Swedish and our news covered a lot about this lately so I thought I chime in.
 
Incand said:
But then I'm not exactly an expert on the subject so I could be wrong. I just happens to be Swedish and our news covered a lot about this lately so I thought I chime in.
You could be wrong, but you could also be right, I'm not sure myself. Incidentally, maybe you will appreciate the humour of this: It's about another of your neighbours.

 
That was quite hilarious. Especially as Denmark been advertising about their harsher policy towards immigrants to get fewer immigrants to go there. Also the Muhammad original painting I assume refer to the drawings publicised by "Jyllands posten" (but drawn by a swede) that caused so much controversy.
 

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