A Parabola and Ellipse question.

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The discussion revolves around two geometry-related word problems involving a parabola and a semiellipse. Participants are attempting to clarify the problems and explore the necessary calculations to find the required dimensions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents two questions: the depth of a parabolic satellite dish and the height of a semielliptical ceiling in a hallway.
  • For the first question, another participant proposes modeling the parabola with a specific equation and suggests setting up equations based on the properties of the parabola.
  • In the second question, participants discuss the interpretation of the height of the semiellipse, with some suggesting it refers to the height above the walls, while others argue it refers to the height above the ground.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the wording of the question and suggests that it could be interpreted in multiple ways, recommending that others consider both interpretations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the interpretation of the height of the semiellipse. Some participants believe it is 9 meters above the walls, while others think it is 9 meters above the ground. The discussion remains unresolved regarding this point.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential ambiguities in the wording of the problems, particularly regarding the height of the semiellipse and the assumptions that may affect the calculations.

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Hi everyone.

I tried solving these questions but can't seems to get anywhere. I am not used to questions like these specially word problems. Sorry if this is the wrong section.

Question 1:
The receiver of the satellite dish is at the focus of the parabola dish. The focus is 80 cm from the vertex of the dish. If the dish is 4m in diameter, find it depth.

Question 2:
The ceiling in a hallway 10m wide is in the shape of a semiellipse. The semiellipse is 9m high in the centre. The walls of the hallway are 6m high. Find the height of the ceiling 2 m from either wall.

I could even draw the diagram for the second one.
:confused:

Thnx for the help. :smile:
 
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ultimatejester said:
Question 1:
The receiver of the satellite dish is at the focus of the parabola dish. The focus is 80 cm from the vertex of the dish. If the dish is 4m in diameter, find it depth.
Model the dish as the parabola with equation:

y = ax^2 + 0.80

This puts the focus at (0, 1.60) and the directrix is the x-axis (a > 0). Now, you also know that any point on the parabola is equally distant from the focus and the directrix, so you can set up another equation:

y = \sqrt{(y - 1.60)^2 - x^2}

Finally, the depth will be the y-value of the parabola at its highest point minus the y-value at the lowest point. You know the lowest point is at the vertex of the parabola, where y = 0.80. Since the parabola is a dish that's 4m in diameter, the "highest point" occurs when x = 2.0 or -2.0. Hopefully, you understand why that is. So, we have another equation:

x = 2.0

Now, you have 3 equations, 3 unknowns, I'll leave the solution to you. Simply solve for y and do the necessary subtraction to find the depth of the dish.

Question 2:
The ceiling in a hallway 10m wide is in the shape of a semiellipse. The semiellipse is 9m high in the centre. The walls of the hallway are 6m high. Find the height of the ceiling 2 m from either wall.
Okay, this is how to visualize it: you have a hallway that is essentially 9 + 6 = 15m high. From the bottom, the walls go straight up for 6m, then start curving inwards and meet each other at the top of the ceiling. I'll let you try it on your own first, I've attached an image for you to help with the visualization.
 

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AKG, are you sure when they say "[t]he semiellipse is 9m high in the centre" it means that it is 9 meters high above the walls? I thought it means that the center of the semiellipse is 9 meters above the ground, making it 3 meters above the walls, with a total height of the hallway being 9m.
 
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AKG, are you sure when they say "[t]he semiellipse is 9m high in the centre" it means that it is 9 meters high above the walls? I thought it means that the center of the semiellipse is 9 meters above the ground, making it 3 meters above the walls, with a total height of the hallway being 9m.


Thts, exactly what i was thinking.
 
Well, it says that the ceiling is in the shape of a semi-elipse and that semi-elipse is 9m high. If it were like what you (Chen and ultimatejester) were thinking, then I believe they would have said that the halway was in the shape of the semi-elipse, which was 9m high. I'm not entirely sure, though; it's a poorly-worded question. I would pick one way, and go with it, or if it matters and you want to be safe, do it both ways.
 

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