A probability question: choosing 3 from 25

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The discussion revolves around a probability problem involving the selection of students from a class consisting of boys and girls. Participants explore the calculation of the probability of selecting 1 girl and 2 boys from a total of 25 students, focusing on the combinatorial methods involved in solving the problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • James presents a probability question regarding the selection of students and requests a solution with explanation.
  • One participant suggests finding the number of ways to choose 1 girl from 10 and 2 boys from 15, then dividing by the total ways to choose 3 students from 25.
  • James proposes a combinatorial expression for the solution and seeks clarification on the division by the total number of outcomes.
  • Another participant explains that the division is necessary because probability is defined as the ratio of favorable outcomes to total outcomes.
  • James questions why multiplication is used for counting the combinations of boys and girls instead of addition.
  • A participant clarifies that multiplication is used due to the fundamental counting principle, as both events (selecting boys and girls) must occur together.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach to solving the problem using combinatorial methods, but there is an ongoing exploration of the reasoning behind the multiplication versus addition in counting outcomes.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the underlying conceptual understanding of probability principles, as participants are still clarifying the reasoning behind their calculations.

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In a class, there are 15 boys and 10 girls. Three students are selected at random. The probability that 1 girl and 2 boys are selected, is:
A. 21/46
B. 25/117
C. 1/50
D. 3/25

Could you please solve this problem with proper explanation?

Thanks,

James
 
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Re: A probability question

Here at MHB, we normally don't provide fully worked solutions, but rather we help people to work the problem on their own. This benefits people much more, which is our goal. (Nod)

Now, what you want to do here is to find the number of ways to choose 1 girl from 10 AND 2 boys from 15, then divide this by the number of ways to choose 3 children from 25. What do you find?
 
Re: A probability question

Thanks for your reply. It's really a great way of learning. I highly appreciate your approach. Is the solution something like:

(15 C 2) * (10 C 1)/ (25 C 3)If it is correct, could you please explain why did we divide it with the number of ways of choosing 3 students from 25? Thanks,

James
 
Re: A probability question

Excellent! That is correct! (Cool)

Now you just need to simplify, either by hand or with a calculator.

As probability is the ratio of the number favorable outcomes to the number of all outcomes, we are in this case dividing the number of ways to choose 1 girl from 10 AND 2 boys from 15 by the number of ways to choose 3 of the children from the total of 25. We are told that 3 children are selected at random, and we know there are 25 children by adding the number of boys to the number of girls. Thus, $${25 \choose 3}$$ is the total number of outcomes.
 
Re: A probability question

Thank you very much man! But I am still wondering why did we MULTIPLY # the number of ways to choose 1 girl from 10 # AND # 2 boys from 15 #, instead of ADDING these two operands?
 
Re: A probability question

We multiply because we are essentially applying the fundamental counting principle. When we require event 1 AND event 2 to happen, we multiply. When we require event 1 OR event 2 to happen, we add. Here we require both 2 boys AND 1 girl.

You see, for each way to obtain 2 boys, we have to account for all of the ways to obtain 1 girl. Or conversely, for each way to obtain 1 girl, we have to account for all of the ways to obtain 2 boys. The product of these two gives us all of the ways to get 2 boys and 1 girl.
 
Re: A probability question

ok. Got it! Thanks a lot.James
 

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