A problem on the paraxial wave equation?

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to the paraxial wave equation in electrodynamics, specifically focusing on the behavior of a laser beam traveling in the z-direction. The original poster attempts to derive the paraxial wave equation starting from the homogeneous wave equation and substituting a specific form for the wave function.

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  • The original poster describes their attempts to manipulate the wave equation and apply the paraxial approximation, expressing confusion about the implications of their results. They question the significance of certain derivatives being zero and express uncertainty about how to proceed with the paraxial approximation.

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Some participants provide guidance on the need to apply the product rule when taking derivatives of functions involving the exponential term. There is acknowledgment of a misunderstanding regarding the derivatives with respect to x and y, which prompts further clarification.

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The discussion highlights the original poster's struggle with the paraxial approximation and the implications of their mathematical manipulations, indicating a need for deeper understanding of the assumptions involved in the problem.

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Hi,
I have this electrodynamics problem sheet on the paraxial approximation, and I am not getting very far with it. It starts off talking about a laser beam traveling in the z-direction, and says that a scalar wave has the form F(r,w)eiwt.

The first part of the question ends with me proving that the homogeneous wave equation

\nabla^2 \Psi = \frac{1}{c^2} \frac{\partial^2 t}{\partial t^2}

takes the form

(\nabla^2 + k^2)F(\vec{r},w) = 0, which was fairly straight forward.

I am then told to substitute F(r,w) = G(r,w)e-ikz, rewrite the wave equation in terms of G, and apply the paraxial approximation:

2ik\frac{\partial G}{\partial z} >> \frac{\partial^2 G}{\partial z^2}

to get the "paraxial wave equation". So, here's what I have tried...

\frac{\partial G}{\partial z} = ikF(\vec{r},w)e^i^k^z = ikG(\vec{r},w)

\frac{\partial^2 G}{\partial z^2} = -k^2F(\vec{r},w)e^i^k^z = -k^2G(\vec{r},w)

hence 2ik\frac{\partial G}{\partial z} = -2k^2F(\vec{r},w)e^i^k^z = -2k^2G(\vec{r},w).

I also said that \nabla^2G(\vec{r},w)e^-^i^k^z = -k^2G(\vec{r},w)e^-^i^k^z (rewriting my wave equation in terms of G)

ie. \nabla^2G(\vec{r},w) = -k^2G(\vec{r},w)

or \nabla^2G(\vec{r},w) = \frac{\partial^2 G}{\partial z^2}.

(so the second derivatives with respect to x and y are zero, don't know if this has any significance?).

This is essentially as far as I have made it with this question so far. I am not really sure what to do with that so-called paraxial approximation, because when you stick the first and second G derivatives into it and cancel, you get 2>>1, which doesn't really make sense. All I really said beyond this was that

2ik\frac{\partial G}{\partial z} >> \nabla^2 G, and I don't really see how that helps.

Can anyone offer any suggestions on how to proceed here? I'd really appreciate it.
Thanks.
 
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You need to remember that both F(\textbf{r},t) and G(\textbf{r},t) are functions of the position vector \textbf{r} (and hence x, y and z)...so when you are taking spatial derivatives of the product of either of these functions with say, e^{ikz}, you need to use the product rule.

For example,

\frac{\partial G}{\partial z} =\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\left(F(\textbf{r},\omega)e^{ikz}\right)= ikF(\textbf{r},\omega)e^{ikz}+\frac{\partial G}{\partial z}e^{ikz}\neq ikF(\textbf{r},\omega)e^{ikz}
 
jeebs said:
so the second derivatives with respect to x and y are zero, don't know if this has any significance?.

No. G is a function x, y and z, so the second derivatives with respect to x and y should not be zero.
 
Ah of course, can't believe I missed that... thanks guys.
 

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