A problem related to Poisson process

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The discussion revolves around a probability problem related to a queueing system modeled by independent Poisson processes. Participants explore the distribution of customer arrivals at a specified time, considering various conditions and assumptions about the system.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a problem regarding the distribution of at least one customer arriving at time t in a queueing system with n customers, each arriving according to a Poisson process with rate Lambda.
  • Another participant suggests conditioning on the number of customers that have arrived and the exponential holding times of the Poisson process, proposing the use of the law of total probability.
  • Some participants discuss the independence of the Poisson processes and propose that the arrival rate for at least one customer is Lambda multiplied by N, assuming no customers are already in the queue.
  • There is a clarification regarding the interpretation of "at least one customer," with some participants noting that multiple customers can arrive by time t.
  • One participant emphasizes the need to calculate the probability of no customers arriving by time t, suggesting that this follows an exponential distribution with parameter N*Lambda.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the clarity of their previous posts, attributing it to fatigue.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct approach to calculating the probability of customer arrivals, with no consensus reached on the final method or interpretation of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on assumptions about the independence and homogeneity of the Poisson processes, and the discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps regarding the application of the law of total probability and the interpretation of arrival rates under different conditions.

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Hi all, I have a probability problem. Can you help me? Thank you!

Here is the problem:

Consider the queueing system, there are n customers 1, 2, ...N.
Customer 1 arrives in accordance with a Poisson process with rate Lamda, customer 2 arrives in accordance with a Poisson process with rate Lamda,..., customer N arrives in accordance with a Poisson process with rate Lamda .

What is the distribution in which at least one customer arrive at time t?
 
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You can condition on the number of customers that have arrived and the exponential holding times of the Poisson process, then use the law of total probability.
 
Focus said:
You can condition on the number of customers that have arrived and the exponential holding times of the Poisson process, then use the law of total probability.

Thank you for your response! Can you explain your idea in detail?

Is the following solution correct?

Consider the queueing system, there are n customers 1, 2, ...N.
Customer 1 arrives in accordance with a Poisson process with rate Lamda, customer 2 arrives in accordance with a Poisson process with rate Lamda,..., customer N arrives in accordance with a Poisson process with rate Lamda .

N processes are mutually independent and homogeneous Poisson processes with rate Lamda

=> at least one of custumers arrive the system, which occurs at the rate Lamda*N
 
quacam09 said:
Thank you for your response! Can you explain your idea in detail?

Is the following solution correct?

Consider the queueing system, there are n customers 1, 2, ...N.
Customer 1 arrives in accordance with a Poisson process with rate Lamda, customer 2 arrives in accordance with a Poisson process with rate Lamda,..., customer N arrives in accordance with a Poisson process with rate Lamda .

N processes are mutually independent and homogeneous Poisson processes with rate Lamda

=> at least one of custumers arrive the system, which occurs at the rate Lamda*N

Yes but that is given that there is no one in the queue. Given that k people are in the queue, the arrival rate is (N-k)*lambda (k not greater than N). Now you have to use \mathbb{P}(A)=\sum_{k \in \mathbb{N}}\mathbb{P}(A|B=k)\mathbb{P}(B=k).

Sorry do you actually mean the probability of at least one customer arrive by time t? At time t, you can't have two customers arriving.
 
Focus said:
Yes but that is given that there is no one in the queue. Given that k people are in the queue, the arrival rate is (N-k)*lambda (k not greater than N). Now you have to use \mathbb{P}(A)=\sum_{k \in \mathbb{N}}\mathbb{P}(A|B=k)\mathbb{P}(B=k).

Sorry do you actually mean the probability of at least one customer arrive by time t? At time t, you can't have two customers arriving.

Sorry, "At least one customer" mean we can have one, two, ...or N customer arrive by time t. N processes are mutually independent and homogeneous Poisson processes with rate Lamda. So at time t, we can have two customers arriving.
 
Ok well then work out the probability of no customers arriving by time t. If N people are arriving with independent Poisson, then you have N*lambda Poisson, so the probability of no people arriving by time t is exp distributed with parameter N*lambda. This is due to the holding times of Poisson processes (that is the times between jumps) are exponential.

Sorry if my posts aren't making sense, I have been somewhat tired recently.
 
Focus said:
Ok well then work out the probability of no customers arriving by time t. If N people are arriving with independent Poisson, then you have N*lambda Poisson, so the probability of no people arriving by time t is exp distributed with parameter N*lambda. This is due to the holding times of Poisson processes (that is the times between jumps) are exponential.

Sorry if my posts aren't making sense, I have been somewhat tired recently.

OK. Thank you for your help!
 

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