A question about a proof of the irrationality of pi

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In summary, the proof shows that the expression \dfrac{a^n\pi^{n+1}}{n!} tends to 0 as n approaches infinity. This means that for any given value of epsilon, there is an N(epsilon) such that the expression is less than epsilon for all n greater than N(epsilon). This proof is based on the use of Stirling's formula and its lower boundary. The limit as n approaches infinity for f(x) is defined as c, which means that for any sequence (x_n) approaching a, the limit of f(x_n) is equal to c. The proof also shows that the expression can be made smaller than 1, as n gets larger. This is due
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Here is the proof I was reading: https://mathschallenge.net/full/irrationality_of_pi

I have a question about this very last inequality at the end:
[itex]\therefore \displaystyle{\lim_{n \to \infty}\left(\dfrac{a^n}{n!}\right)} = 0[/itex] and for sufficiently large [itex]
n, \dfrac{a^n\pi^{n+1}}{n!} \lt 1[/itex]
How did they get that "less than 1" bit?
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If ##\left(\dfrac{(a\pi)^n}{n!}\right)## tends to ##0##, what does that mean? For any ##\varepsilon > 0## there is ...
 
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You can use Stirling's formula and its lower boundary:
$$
\sqrt{2\pi n}\left(\dfrac{n^n}{e^n}\right) < n! \Longrightarrow\left(\dfrac{(a\pi)^n\cdot \pi}{n!}\right) < \left(\dfrac{a\pi e}{n}\right)^n\cdot \dfrac{\sqrt{\pi}}{\sqrt{2}}\cdot\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{n}}
$$
The first factor tends to ##0## and thus can be made smaller than ##\dfrac{\sqrt{2}}{\sqrt{\pi}}.##

(If I made no mistake.)
 
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If ##\left(\dfrac{(a\pi)^n}{n!}\right)## tends to ##0##, what does that mean? For any ##\varepsilon > 0## there is ...
I have been out of touch with that ##\varepsilon-\delta## stuff for about 15 years. Can you elaborate a little?
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Formally: For any ##\varepsilon > 0## there is an ##N(\varepsilon)## - depending on that ##\varepsilon## - such that all ##\left|\dfrac{(a\pi)^n}{n!}\right| < \varepsilon## for all indices ##n > N(\varepsilon)##.

This means that you can make ##\dfrac{(a\pi)^n}{n!}## arbitrary small, the greater ##n## is. So you can make it certainly smaller than ##\dfrac{1}{\pi}##, if only the ##n## are large enough.
 
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fresh_42 said:
Formally: For any ##\varepsilon > 0## there is an ##N(\varepsilon)## - depending on that ##\varepsilon## - such that all ##\left|\dfrac{(a\pi)^n}{n!}\right| < \varepsilon## for all indices ##n > N(\varepsilon)##.
A general question about limits (just to check if I understood it):
if we wanted to find the limit of f(x) as ##x \rightarrow -\infty## (instead of ##+\infty##), should we find ##N(\varepsilon)## such that |f(x) - the limit| ##< \varepsilon## for all ## x < N(\varepsilon)## instead of ##x > N(\varepsilon)##.

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This means that you can make ##\dfrac{(a\pi)^n}{n!}## arbitrary small, the greater ##n## is. So you can make it certainly smaller than ##\dfrac{1}{\pi}##, if only the ##n## are large enough.
Does that mean that we can always find an ##N(\varepsilon)## such that any ##n > N(\varepsilon)## will lead to ##\left|\frac{(a\pi)^n}{n!}\right| < \frac{1}{\pi}##?
 
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A general question about limits (just to check if I understood it):
if we wanted to find the limit of f(x) as ##x \rightarrow -\infty## (instead of ##+\infty##), should we find ##N(\varepsilon)## such that |f(x) - the limit| ##< \varepsilon## for all ## x < N(\varepsilon)## instead of ##x > N(\varepsilon)##.
##\lim_{x \to a}f(x)=c## means that for any sequence ##(x_n)\longrightarrow a## we have ##\lim_{x_n \to \infty}f(x_n)=c.## Here ##a,c\in \mathbb{R}\cup \{\pm \infty\}.## The ##n## are only a numbering of the sequence, i.e. it makes no sense to count them by negative numbers.

If ##|c|<\infty## is finite, then we have: For any sequence ##(x_n)\longrightarrow a## which converges to ##a##, and any given, requested approximation ##\varepsilon>0##, there is an ##N(\varepsilon)## such that ##|f(x_n)-c|<\varepsilon## for all ##n>N(\varepsilon).## Whether ##a## is infinitely positive, finite, or infinitely negative is irrelevant here; only that our (arbitrary) sequence ##(x_n)## converges to ##a.##

If ##c\in \{\pm \infty\}##, then we have again an arbitrary sequence ##(x_n)\longrightarrow a##, for which the following holds: For any finite boundary ##K## there is a sequence index ##N(K)##, such that ##f(x_n) >K## for all ##n>N(K)##, in case ##c=+\infty##, and ##f(x_n) < K## for all ##n>N(K)##, in case ##c=-\infty.##

If you forget about the function here, then the same definitions apply to ##(x_n) \longrightarrow a.##

The indexing ##n=1,2,3,\ldots## is always positive. Sure, you may count by negative numbers, but that would only be unnecessarily confusing.

Continuity of the function ##f## and the ##\varepsilon-\delta## definition in comparison to the sequence definition of continuity is a different subject. Here we have only sequences.
 
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How did they get that "less than 1" bit?
It is simpler than you are making it. Each increase of ##n## puts in another multiplier of ##a*\pi/n##. Since ##n## can get huge, the product can get very small.
 

1. What is the proof of the irrationality of pi?

The proof of the irrationality of pi is a mathematical proof that shows that the value of pi, which is approximately 3.14159, cannot be expressed as a simple fraction (such as 22/7). This means that pi is an irrational number, meaning it has an infinite number of non-repeating digits after the decimal point.

2. Who discovered the proof of the irrationality of pi?

The proof of the irrationality of pi was first discovered by the ancient Greek mathematician, Euclid, in his book "Elements" around 300 BC. However, the modern proof was developed by German mathematician Ferdinand von Lindemann in 1882.

3. Why is the proof of the irrationality of pi important?

The proof of the irrationality of pi is important because it helps to establish the fundamental nature of numbers and their properties. It also has practical applications in fields such as engineering, physics, and computer science, where the value of pi is used in calculations.

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Yes, the proof of the irrationality of pi is widely accepted by all mathematicians. It has been rigorously tested and has stood the test of time for over 2000 years. However, there are some alternative proofs that have been proposed, but they are not widely accepted or recognized.

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