A question about rotational speed

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving rotational motion, specifically focusing on a casino roulette wheel and a ball spinning in opposite directions. The original poster seeks assistance in determining how many times the ball passes a specific point on the wheel after a set duration, while considering the effects of angular acceleration on the wheel.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the angular speeds of the ball and the wheel, with some attempting to derive equations for angular velocities over time. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the problem's parameters and the implications of friction on the wheel's motion.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the problem with various interpretations of the angular speeds. Some participants provide equations and integrate to find angular displacement, while others express confusion about the setup and the variables involved. Guidance has been offered regarding the elimination of certain variables in the equations.

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Participants note the assumption of ignoring friction on the ball and the challenge of determining the radius of the wheel, which remains unspecified in the discussion. The original poster expresses confusion about the calculations and the overall approach.

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A casino roulette wheel is set spinning with an initial angular speed of 15 rad/s. The ball is set spinning in the opposite direction with a constant angular speed of 20 rad/s as the
"00" passed by. If friction makes the wheel slow down with an angular acceleration of 5 rad/s^2, How many times does the ball pass by the "00" after 3 seconds? ( Ignore the slowing down of the ball due to friction. )


thx so much... could somebody help me to solve this quesion?
 
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[tex]\omega_b=15 rad/s[/tex]

[tex]\omega_r=(20-5t)rad/s[/tex]

Now imagine,you're sitting on the roulette.You'll see that roulette is not moving.And ball is moving with velocity

[tex]v'=\omega'R=(\omega_b+\omega_r)R[/tex]
 
thx , i still don't quite understand.

azatkgz said:
[tex]\omega_b=15 rad/s[/tex]

[tex]\omega_r=(20-5t)rad/s[/tex]

Now imagine,you're sitting on the roulette.You'll see that roulette is not moving.And ball is moving with velocity

[tex]v'=\omega'R=(\omega_b+\omega_r)R[/tex]


you wrote the angular speed for the ball is 15 rad/s, but the question says the wheel is 15 rad/s , is something wrong.

in your last step, how can we find the R, since R is unknown.

finally, please tell me how many times the ball passes by "00", now, i am so confused..


thx
 
Ok.

[tex]\omega_b=20 rad/s[/tex]

[tex]\omega_r=(15-5t) rad/s[/tex]

as I said that

[tex]\omega'R=(\omega_r+\omega_b)R[/tex]

we just eliminate R

[tex]\omega'=\omega_r+\omega_b[/tex]


Original formula is [tex]d\theta=\omega dt[/tex]
so we use this formula

[tex]d\theta=\omega'dt=(20+15-5t)dt[/tex]

after integrating
[tex]\theta=20t+15t-\frac{5t^2}{2}=20\times 3+15\times 3-\frac{5\times 3^2}{2}=82.5 rad[/tex]
[tex]2\pi[/tex] is one cycle,so it passes

[tex]N=\frac{82.5}{2\pi}=13[/tex] times
 
thx so much

azatkgz said:
Ok.

[tex]\omega_b=20 rad/s[/tex]

[tex]\omega_r=(15-5t) rad/s[/tex]

as I said that

[tex]\omega'R=(\omega_r+\omega_b)R[/tex]

we just eliminate R

[tex]\omega'=\omega_r+\omega_b[/tex]


Original formula is [tex]d\theta=\omega dt[/tex]
so we use this formula

[tex]d\theta=\omega'dt=(20+15-5t)dt[/tex]

after integrating
[tex]\theta=20t+15t-\frac{5t^2}{2}=20\times 3+15\times 3-\frac{5\times 3^2}{2}=82.5 rad[/tex]
[tex]2\pi[/tex] is one cycle,so it passes

[tex]N=\frac{82.5}{2\pi}=13[/tex] times

THank YOU, YOu are so smart...
 

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