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The discussion revolves around a statistical physics problem involving gas molecules in thermodynamic equilibrium. The original poster seeks to determine the mean value of a specific expression involving the components of velocity and parameters α and β, with multiple choice answers provided.

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  • Participants discuss the method of expanding the expression and calculating expectation values. Questions arise regarding how to find these mean values and the relevance of the level of study (undergraduate or graduate) to the problem.

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There is an ongoing exploration of methods to approach the problem, with some participants suggesting looking into the derivation of the root mean square velocity as a potential guide. The discussion includes inquiries about the differences in mean values of the velocity components and the implications of those differences.

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1. A gas molecules of mass m are in thermodynamic equilibrium at a temperature T.
If v_{x},v_{y},v_{z} are the components of velocity v, then the mean value of (v_{x}-{\alpha} {v_{y}}+{\beta} {v_{z}})^2 is:

a.(1+\alpha^2+\beta^2)\frac{k_{b}T}{m}

b.(1-\alpha^2+\beta^2)\frac{k_{b}T}{m}

c. (\beta^2-\alpha^2)\frac{k_{b}T}{m}

d.(\alpha^2+\beta^2)\frac{k_{b}T}{m}




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[v_{rms} \sqrt{\frac{3k_{b}T}{m}}

K.E = \frac{3k_{b}T}{2}
 
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Easiest way to do this: Multiply out <br /> (v_{x}-{\alpha} {v_{y}}+{\beta} {v_{z}})^2<br />. Find each expectation value separately, add them up.
 
Mike Pemulis said:
Easiest way to do this: Multiply out <br /> (v_{x}-{\alpha} {v_{y}}+{\beta} {v_{z}})^2<br />. Find each expectation value separately, add them up.

how to find expectation values?
 
Sorry, I meant mean value -- same thing.

"Okay, how do I find mean values?"

Good question, which can be answered in a couple of different ways. Can I ask what level you are? Undergrad, grad? Is this a chemistry or physics class?
 
Mike Pemulis said:
Sorry, I meant mean value -- same thing.

"Okay, how do I find mean values?"

Good question, which can be answered in a couple of different ways. Can I ask what level you are? Undergrad, grad? Is this a chemistry or physics class?

undergrad physics
 
Okay, so hopefully your book has a derivation of vrms. Take a look at that; it should provide some clues of how to derive vx2, vy2, and vz2.

One hint from me: What is vrms, in terms of the components of velocity? Do you we expect the mean values of the components to be different from each other? In other words, is there anything special about the x-direction that would imply that vx2 is different from vy2?

Now, none of this helps you find the cross-terms, only the squared terms. Try to get the squared terms first, and then we can move on.
 

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