A single atom in a cold, closed, vacuum system.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of a single atom in a cold, closed vacuum system, particularly focusing on its motion and energy dissipation as it cools down. Participants explore theoretical implications, mechanisms of cooling, and the differences between atomic and macroscopic thermodynamic properties.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant posits that a single atom in a vacuum chamber at near absolute zero will not diffuse and will fall freely in a parabolic path, or travel in a straight line until it hits the chamber walls if gravity is neglected.
  • Another participant questions the mechanism of cooling for the atom, suggesting that if it is in the middle of the chamber, there may be no way for it to lose energy.
  • Some participants discuss the possibility of using an external magnetic field to prevent the atom from hitting the container walls, with one suggesting the construction of a magnetic trap.
  • There is a debate about whether heat can transfer from a hotter atom to a colder environment by irradiation, with one participant asserting that this is not possible unless the atom is electronically excited.
  • One participant raises a question about how larger bodies cool in the vacuum of outer space, leading to a discussion about the differences in radiation characteristics between solids and individual atoms.
  • Another participant mentions that "temperature" is a parameter applicable to a collection of atoms, noting that a single atom does not possess a temperature and can be slowed down using laser cooling techniques.
  • There is a mention of the conservation of energy and entropy, with a participant stating that to reduce the energy content of a system, there must be a mechanism to dissipate energy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of energy dissipation for a single atom and the implications of temperature at the atomic level. There is no consensus on how cooling occurs or the applicability of certain thermodynamic principles to individual atoms versus larger bodies.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the atom's environment, the nature of energy transfer in vacuum conditions, and the definitions of temperature in relation to single atoms versus collections of atoms.

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Let us assume there is a single atom in a vacuum chamber which is kept at near absolute zero. Now assume the system is closed and that the chamber is large enough such that the atom cannot diffuse far enough to reach the walls. Neglecting other stochastic effects, what do you think the atom's motion will be as it cools down?
 
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nukapprentice said:
what do you think the atom's motion will be as it cools down?
What cools it down?
 
A single atom does not show diffusion, it will just fall down freely in a parabolic path. Without gravity, it will travel in a straight line until it hits the chamber walls.
 
Ah, you're right mfb about diffusion, so thank you. I guess my next question would be, could we apply an external magnetic field such that the atom is kept from hitting the container walls? In terms of how it cools down, I am just assuming that the system is already at that low temperature. Here the atom is dissipating heat to its surroundings.
 
nukapprentice said:
I guess my next question would be, could we apply an external magnetic field such that the atom is kept from hitting the container walls?
Yes, you could build a magnetic trap.

nukapprentice said:
In terms of how it cools down, I am just assuming that the system is already at that low temperature. Here the atom is dissipating heat to its surroundings.
I repeat my question: how can it dissipate heat? If the atom is in the middle of the chamber, there is no mechanism for it to lose energy.
 
Heat cannot transfer from a hotter body(the atom) to the colder environment (the cooled chamber) by irradiation?
 
nukapprentice said:
Heat cannot transfer from a hotter body(the atom) to the colder environment (the cooled chamber) by irradiation?

Unless the atom is electronically excited, no. There is no way for the atom to lose kinetic energy except by collisions (this includes scattering of photons, for which you would need a laser of the proper wavelength to observe any significant cooling).
 
Ah, thank you so much DrClaude, makes sense. However, how do you explain something ( a larger body) cooling off in the vacuum of outer space then?
 
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nukapprentice said:
Ah, thank you so much DrClaude, makes sense. However, how do you explain something ( a larger body) cooling off in the vacuum of outer space then?

You can't think of solids as just a collection of atoms. The properties are very different, te.g. because the electrons are delocalized. This is why solids have continuous spectra, whereas spectra from atoms tend to show discrete lines.
Hence, the radiation/emission characheristics are very different for a solid, and are reasonably well described as black body radiation.

Hence, a solid at a temperature T>0K will always radiate.
 
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"Temperature" is an effective parameter for a bunch of atoms. A single atom does not have a temperature at all.
You can slow it down with laser cooling (it has this name as the usual application is to cool a gas of many atoms).
 
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Thanks for the great info mfb and f95. I guess there is some type of "transition" between microscopic and macroscopic worlds in terms of thermodynamics. This is very interesting I suppose, since based on this discussion an atom could just remain in a very cold (~2 K), magnetically confined vacuum environment and maintain the same total energy. Having said that, does anyone know of things which experience an internally damping mechanism instead of an external one i.e. friction?
 
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Energy is conserved. To reduce the energy content of a system, you need some way to get rid of the energy.
In addition, entropy cannot get reduced - and heat is the "worst" type of energy, you cannot convert it to other forms without some external heat sink.
 

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