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If there existed one universe that could support intelligent life on its own, it is likely to lead to a myriad of simulated universes. True or false?
russ_watters said:It doesn't necessarily follow.
GeorgCantor said:For the sake of the argument, it doesn't matter if said civilization builds a capable computer with enough processing power in 50 or 50 000 years.
Then again, we may exist in a universe designed on such mathematics to not let us invent a system of computation to allow us to simulate new universes?apeiron said:There are strong arguments that reality is not Turing computable. And this would be the essence of your question.
I particularly like Robert Rosen's posthumous Essays on Life Itself. Howard Pattee also did some fine papers on the subject.
GeorgCantor said:it is likely to lead to a myriad of simulated universes.
apeiron said:There are strong arguments that reality is not Turing computable. And this would be the essence of your question.
imiyakawa said:This assigning of a P>0.5 assumes to know too many things about the universe in question: does it last for infinite or a finite time scale, if it's finite how long will it last for, if it does allow for intelligent life what is the % chance that it will emerge, then you have to know the % chance that this civilisation will evolve to the stage you're talking of before either the civilisation destroys itself or the universe comes to an end, etc.
Kaj brings up another good point: we may exist in a universe designed on such mathematics to not let us invent a system of computation to allow us to simulate new universes?
Interesting question though
Since there's a % chance that we are currently existing in a simulation (of which we cannot assign a specific probability, for obvious reasons), as from our perspective it cannot be proven otherwise, doesn't this debunk that whole argument?
Frame Dragger said:As for an non-human life, maybe they wouldn't see a point in simulation? This seems like a stretch to assume.
GeorgCantor said:That's right.
To continue your line of thought, wouldn't the belief that a god sees a point in the existence of the universe be a stretch to assume also?
Scientists have observed a number of factors that make our universe ideal for supporting intelligent life. These include the existence of liquid water, the presence of a stable star like our sun, the right amount of atmospheric oxygen, and the presence of essential elements like carbon and nitrogen.
There is currently no evidence to suggest that our universe is the only one capable of supporting intelligent life. Some theories, such as the multiverse theory, propose that there may be multiple universes with different physical laws that could potentially support life.
The Anthropic Principle states that the universe must be compatible with the existence of observers (i.e. intelligent life) because we are here to observe it. This principle supports the idea that our universe was designed to support intelligent life.
Evolution is a key factor in the development of intelligent life in our universe. It explains how simple organisms can evolve into complex beings over time, leading to the development of intelligent life forms like humans.
It is possible that there could be other forms of intelligent life in our universe. The vastness of space and the many planets and galaxies yet to be explored leave room for the possibility of other advanced civilizations. However, we have not yet discovered any concrete evidence of extraterrestrial intelligent life.