About concept of wave-particle duality

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The discussion revolves around the concept of wave-particle duality in quantum mechanics and its evolution in quantum field theory (QFT). Participants explore the validity and relevance of wave-particle duality, as well as related concepts like wavelets, within the context of modern physics.

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  • Some participants question the usefulness of the concept of wave-particle duality in quantum mechanics, suggesting it is a pop science idea rather than a scientifically robust concept.
  • Others argue that wave-particle duality is not applicable in quantum field theory, stating that quantum objects do not fit neatly into classical categories of waves or particles.
  • A participant raises a question about the term "wavelet," prompting discussions about its relevance to wave-particle duality and its origins in signal processing.
  • There are claims that the concept of wave-particle duality has been largely abandoned in favor of a more nuanced understanding of quantum objects, which exhibit both particle-like and wave-like behaviors depending on measurement conditions.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the relationship between wavelets and wave-particle duality, indicating a lack of consensus on this topic.

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Participants generally disagree on the relevance and validity of wave-particle duality, with multiple competing views presented. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the connection between wavelets and wave-particle duality.

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Some statements reflect a historical perspective on wave-particle duality and its perceived obsolescence, while others highlight the ongoing debate about terminology and conceptual clarity in modern physics.

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About concept of wave-particle duality
How does the concept of wave-particle duality in quantum mechanics evolve when you move to quantum field theory?
 
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south said:
How does the concept of wave-particle duality in quantum mechanics evolve when you move to quantum field theory?
It doesn't, because the concept of wave-particle duality isn't a good concept in QM to begin with. It's a common pop science concept, but it's not a concept that plays any useful role in the actual science.
 
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What happened to the wavelet?
 
south said:
What happened to the wavelet?
What wavelet? Can you give a specific reference?
 
south said:
What happened to the wavelet?
That is a math question, independent of QM/QFT. There never was much connection between wavelets and wave-particle duality.

(The Hermite functions are a nice orthonormal basis which combines wave-packet and plane-wave properties, if you are interested in that kind of stuff. Unrelated to both QFT and wavelets.)
 
PeterDonis said:
What wavelet? Can you give a specific reference?
Is the fusion of words wave and particle, proposed by a physician several decades ago, when standard .model wasn't developed.
 
south said:
Is the fusion of words wave and particle, proposed by a physician several decades ago, when standard .model wasn't developed.
That's not a reference. You need an actual link to a textbook or peer-reviewed paper.
 
south said:
Is the fusion of words wave and particle, proposed by a physician several decades ago, when standard .model wasn't developed.
Are you mixing this up with something else maybe? I only know the term "wavelet" in the context of signal analysis / engineering. Definitely the term plays no role in the context of what you are asking in the first place.
 
south said:
Is the fusion of words wave and particle,

How "wavelet" is the fusion of wave and particle? Anyways, this is not true.
 
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by @Nugatory in https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/is-wave-particle-duality-linked-to-superposition.879019/#post-5521503
Although it's a popular metaphor and an OK visualization tool, "wave/particle duality" isn't a solid enough idea to build new theories on top of - it's more a user-friendly approximation of what quantum mechanics really says. Pillows are fuzzy, and tables have four legs, but when you encounter a sheep (which is fuzzy like a pillow and has four legs like a table) you aren't going to find the concept of "table/pillow duality" very helpful.
 
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The concept of classical "wave particle duality" was dumped some 80+ years ago and is only still around due to some misguided belief that it makes things easier on beginning students. There is no wave particle duality because quantum objects are not waves and they are not particles. Those are classical concepts. Quantum objects are only that ... quantum objects. If you measure particle behaviour you will see some particle-like characteristics and if you measure wave behaviour you will see some wave characteristics, but that does not make quantum objects particles or waves and does not (as it was thought to do 80 years ago) mean there is a wave particle duality.
 
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south said:
Is the fusion of words wave and particle, proposed by a physician several decades ago, when standard .model wasn't developed.

From wikipedia, about etymology of this word:

The word wavelet has been used for decades in digital signal processing and exploration geophysics.The equivalent French word ondelette meaning "small wave" was used by Jean Morlet and Alex Grossmann in the early 1980s.
 

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