About domain in a compound function

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The discussion revolves around the domain of compound functions, specifically examining the composition of functions f and g, where f(x) = x^(1/4) and g(x) = x^2. Participants explore the implications of applying a rule for determining the domain of the composition and question the validity of certain expressions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a rule for determining the domain of a compound function, suggesting that the domain of (f o g)(x) is all real numbers if g(x) is in the domain of f(x).
  • Another participant challenges the equality of two expressions derived from the composition, stating that f(g(x)) = (x^2)^(1/4) is not equal to f(g(x)) = x^(1/2).
  • Participants discuss the differences in the domains of the functions involved, noting that the identity (a^b)^c = a^{bc} is not universally valid.
  • Clarifications are provided regarding the conditions under which certain exponentiation identities hold true, emphasizing the need for constraints on the base a.
  • One participant expresses frustration over their educational experience, attributing misunderstandings to a lack of explanation regarding the constraints of exponentiation identities.
  • A later reply draws a parallel to a valid identity involving square roots, suggesting that similar reasoning applies to the current problem.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the initial expressions or the implications of the domain rule. There are competing views regarding the correctness of the mathematical identities discussed.

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Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of the functions and the conditions under which exponentiation identities are valid. The discussion highlights unresolved mathematical steps and the need for careful consideration of domains.

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In my book and in other places, they give this rule to obtain the domain for
a compound function: "the domain of (f o g) (x) is the set of all real
numbers x such that g(x) is in the domain of f (x)."

Then, if f(x)=x^(1/4)

and

g(x)=x^2

f(g(x)) = (x^2)^(1/4)

f(g(x)) = x^(1/2)

And applying the rule for the domain, it'll be all the real numbers. Isn't it illogical?

Thanks for the help and excuse me if there is any grammar mistakes, it's because english isn't my native language.
 
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f(g(x)) = (x^2)^(1/4)

f(g(x)) = x^(1/2)
This is wrong; those two expressions are not equal.
 
Hurkyl said:
This is wrong; those two expressions are not equal.

and why is that?
 
For example, their domains of definition are different.


(hint: [itex](a^b)^c = a^{bc}[/itex] is invalid, even though it closely resembles an identity you learned in your algebra classes)
 
Hurkyl said:
For example, their domains of definition are different.


(hint: [itex](a^b)^c = a^{bc}[/itex] is invalid, even though it closely resembles an identity you learned in your algebra classes)

ok the domains difference granted, what is the actual identity then?
 
One form is

For real numbers a, b, and c: if a > 0 then [itex](a^b)^c = a^{bc}[/itex]​

In fact, if you're just using plain real-number exponentiation, [itex]a^b[/itex] is only defined for a > 0. But usually we use a generalization that allows other special cases, such as integer exponents, and we have

For a nonzero real number a and integers b and c: [itex](a^b)^c = a^{bc}[/itex]​

There are some other cases you can write down -- but the point is that they are all qualified.
 
thanks

thanks, I think it's my school teacher's fault :P, for teaching me
(a^b)^c = a^bc without explaining the constraints of that identity.
 
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You may have a recollection of an identity such as (a^2)^(1/2) = |a| -- that one is valid for all real numbers a. This problem is very similar.
 

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