About time-independent non-degenerate perturbation expansion

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The discussion revolves around the perturbation expansion in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on time-independent non-degenerate perturbation theory. Participants explore the nature of state vectors in Hilbert space and the distinction between different expansions of eigenvalues and eigenfunctions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the perturbation expansion of eigenvalues and eigenfunctions represents a single state being expanded over its basis set, seeking clarification on the nature of the set ##{\psi_a^i}_{i=1}^n##.
  • Another participant suggests using different symbols to avoid confusion and explains that ##\psi_a^0## typically represents an eigenstate of the unperturbed Hamiltonian, while the other ##\psi_a^i## are more generic functions that approach an eigenstate of the full Hamiltonian.
  • A participant expresses gratitude for the clarification and suggests that the ##\psi_a^i## terms likely correspond to correction terms that modify the unperturbed eigenfunction.
  • It is noted that all the ##\psi_a^i## can be expressed in terms of the original basis set ##\{\phi_i\}##.

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Participants appear to agree on the general structure of the perturbation expansion and the role of the correction terms, but there is still some uncertainty regarding the specific interpretations and definitions of the terms involved.

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There is a potential ambiguity in the notation used, as some participants suggest avoiding the reuse of symbols to clarify the discussion. The definitions of the basis states and their relationship to the eigenstates of the Hamiltonians are also not fully resolved.

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Confusion regarding the state vector expansion over a set of basis functions and the perturbative expansion in the powers of $lambda$.
We know that any state vector in Hilbert space can be expanded as
$$ \Psi = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \alpha_i \psi_i $$

However, when we start the perturbation expansion of the eigenvalues and the eigenfunctions as
$$E_a = \lambda^0 E_a^0+\lambda^1 E_a^1+\lambda^2 E_a^2+\lambda^3 E_a^3+...+\lambda^n E_a^n+...$$
and
$$\psi_a = \lambda^0 \psi_a^0+\lambda^1 \psi_a^1+\lambda^2 \psi_a^2+\lambda^3 \psi_a^3+...+\lambda^n \Psi_a^n+...$$
respectively, is it the single state being expanded over its basis set or what? What exactly is this set ##{\psi_a^i}_{i=1}^n##?
How should I differentiate between the two?

PS: If my question is not clear, then please help me refine it as I really want to understand the basics of perturbation theory.
 
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To reduce confusion, don't reuse the same symbols. For instance, consider
$$ \Psi = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \alpha_i \phi_i $$
where the ##\{ \phi_i \}## form some basis.

Then, in
Ishika_96_sparkles said:
$$\psi_a = \lambda^0 \psi_a^0+\lambda^1 \psi_a^1+\lambda^2 \psi_a^2+\lambda^3 \psi_a^3+...+\lambda^n \Psi_a^n+...$$
##\psi_a^0## would usually be an eigenstate of the unperturbed Hamiltonian ##\hat{H}_0##, and the other ##\psi_a^i## more generic functions (such that ##\psi_a## looks more and more like an eigenstate of the full Hamiltonian).

All the ##\psi_a^i## could be expressed in terms of basis states ##\{ \phi_i \}## (which would typically be the eigenstates of ##\hat{H}_0##, but could also be the eigenstates of the full Hamiltonian, or any other basis functions).
 
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Thank you @DrClaude! for a clear writeup and reply.
DrClaude said:
ψai more generic functions (such that ψa looks more and more like an eigenstate of the full Hamiltonian).
which probably are the "first-order... second-order...correction" terms that modify the unperturbed eigenfunction to match the eigenfunction of the full Hamiltonian. did i get that right?

Furthermore, all the ##\psi_a^i## are expandable in the original basis set ##\{\phi_i\}##.
 
Ishika_96_sparkles said:
Thank you @DrClaude! for a clear writeup and reply.

which probably are the "first-order... second-order...correction" terms that modify the unperturbed eigenfunction to match the eigenfunction of the full Hamiltonian. did i get that right?

Furthermore, all the ##\psi_a^i## are expandable in the original basis set ##\{\phi_i\}##.
Correct.
 
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