About Undergraduate Research Opportunities In US.

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The discussion revolves around the challenges and possibilities for an undergraduate student from China seeking research opportunities in the United States. It addresses the legal implications of working without a visa, the feasibility of obtaining research positions, and the potential consequences of violating immigration laws.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to gain undergraduate research experience in the US to enhance their graduate study applications.
  • Several participants caution that working as "free labor" without proper visa sponsorship is highly unlikely and could lead to severe immigration consequences.
  • Some argue that professors are unlikely to take on students unofficially due to the volume of requests and the associated risks.
  • There are suggestions for the student to seek connections through their current professors to facilitate legitimate research opportunities.
  • One participant mentions the possibility of obtaining a B-1 visa if a professor is willing to sponsor the student, though this is noted to be non-trivial for Chinese nationals.
  • Concerns are raised about the legal implications of hiring foreign students for unpaid positions, especially if it could be perceived as undermining local job opportunities.
  • Another participant highlights that universities strictly enforce immigration rules to avoid jeopardizing their ability to sponsor student visas.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that working without proper visa status is fraught with legal risks and that finding legitimate research opportunities is challenging. However, there are differing views on the potential for obtaining a B-1 visa and the feasibility of securing a position through personal connections.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexities of US immigration laws and the specific challenges faced by Chinese nationals in obtaining research-related visas. There is an emphasis on the importance of adhering to legal requirements to avoid negative repercussions for both the student and the hosting university.

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I am a junior undergraduate student with speciality of physics in R. P. China. I am planning to have graduate study in US. I think that it will be of help to me if I can have undergraduate research experiences in American universities. On the one hand, I can show the American professors whether I am eligible for graduate study under their supervision. On the other hand, whether I really want to study physics in USA. Our summer vocation is during 2. July to 2. September. Yeah, it will be impossible for me to have salaries because I cannot obtain visa if this. However, is it possible for me to have summer research as a "free labor"?. I pay the air-ticket fees, I pay the rents and I pay for the food. etc.
 
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It is highly unlikely you will be able to do this without some form of official sponsorship. Tourist visas do not allow you to "study" or perform research in an academic capacity.
 
And if somehow you did manage to do this, and US Immigration catches you, you will not be allowed to return for graduate studies. You may not be allowed to return at all.
 
Bad idea. And it is so very highly unlikely that any professor or scientist would even take you unofficially. No offense, but my professors get tens of emails from foreign students who either want paid or unpaid positions for research and they don't even bother to read any of them. It's not a lack of manners but it simply happens so often and there's not really much a professor has to gain from going through the headache of organizing research outside the system.

Your best bet is to do as well in your classes and you can and try to get research in your own country. As long as your GPA is good and you have something other than classes to show for your undergraduate education, you stand a good chance of getting admitted.
 
See if your professors have any connections in the US and can set you up to get invited to work with someone for the summer. Our group had French and German students working with us like that at various times.
 
eri said:
See if your professors have any connections in the US and can set you up to get invited to work with someone for the summer. Our group had French and German students working with us like that at various times.
Undergraduate students? Get paid?
 
fss said:
Tourist visas do not allow you to "study" or perform research in an academic capacity.

Tourist visas don't, but if he manages to find a professor willing to take him for the summer, I don't see why he wouldn't be eligible as a researcher on a B-1 visa...
 
cristo said:
Tourist visas don't, but if he manages to find a professor willing to take him for the summer, I don't see why he wouldn't be eligible as a researcher on a B-1 visa...
If it is possible this way, I would like to find this sort of professors. Thank you so much!
 
cristo said:
I don't see why he wouldn't be eligible as a researcher on a B-1 visa...

Because if anyone who did a similar job for the university ever got paid, he's now "importing workers to do for free what an American could get paid for". Even if he wins, he's now in a mess of legal trouble. It's not worth it.
 
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Xu-Jin said:
However, is it possible for me to have summer research as a "free labor"?

No. The university will not allow it. If immigration figures out that this is happening the university is dead.

If you want undergraduate research, then you can get it in China. Also if you want to visit the United States, go to an academic conference.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Even if he wins, he's now in a mess of legal trouble. It's not worth it.

What's more, all it will take is one call to the immigration officials and the university and the professor is going to be in a heap of trouble for allowing this. If immigration has any idea that a university is twisting rules, then immigration can kill the university by withholding student visas. A professor that does this is going to be in a heap of trouble from legal and admissions.

Universities are weird as far as US immigration laws go. In most areas, it is so difficult to get visas, that people are going to find it useful to bend or break the rules. Educational immigration is very open, and US universities find it very simple to get visas for students, but the flip side of this is that US universities will pretty strictly enforce immigration rules, because to bend/break them means the end of any privileges that they can get.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Because if anyone who did a similar job for the university ever got paid, he's now "importing workers to do for free what an American could get paid for". Even if he wins, he's now in a mess of legal trouble. It's not worth it.

I see, that makes sense.
 
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cristo said:
Tourist visas don't, but if he manages to find a professor willing to take him for the summer, I don't see why he wouldn't be eligible as a researcher on a B-1 visa...

Except it's non-trivial for Chinese nationals to get B-1. He'll need a letter from the professor, and even if he gets that letter, the second the consular officer sees the name of a university on the letterhead, the visa is going to be denied.

You can get away with this for French and German nationals, because they can enter the US under visa waiver so they don't need a letter verifying business purpose.
 
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cristo said:
I see, that makes sense.

Also he isn't going to get much sympathy from other foreign students with valid study visas, and who had to got through heck to get them. There are *so* many people that could cause everything to fall apart with a call to immigration, that it's not worth it.
 

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