Absolutely Closed Metric Spaces.

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The discussion revolves around the properties of absolutely closed metric spaces, particularly focusing on whether such spaces are complete. Participants explore various approaches to demonstrate this relationship, considering the implications of embeddings and isometries in the context of metric spaces.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that an absolutely closed metric space should be complete, suggesting that if it is embedded in its completion, it would be a closed subset and thus complete.
  • Another participant questions the existence of a completion containing the space, noting that while any space is isometric to a subset of its completion, it does not guarantee the existence of such a completion.
  • A participant introduces the concept of isomorphisms of metric spaces, arguing that if two isomorphic spaces are involved, the completeness of one implies the completeness of the other.
  • Concerns are raised about showing that the image of an absolutely closed space under an isometric function is also absolutely closed or a closed subset of its completion.
  • One participant suggests constructing a new space M'' that combines M and its completion, proposing that this construction could yield a complete metric space containing M.
  • Another participant agrees with this construction and outlines a reasoning process to verify the completeness of M'', indicating that Cauchy sequences in M'' converge in the completion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the completeness of absolutely closed metric spaces, with some supporting the idea and others questioning the necessary conditions for completeness. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the definitive proof of completeness.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their arguments, particularly regarding the assumptions about the existence of completions and the properties of isometries. The discussion does not resolve these uncertainties.

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Hi.

An absolutely closed metric space M is such that: If N is a meric space containing M, then M is closed in N.

I would like to show that an absolutely closed metric space is complete, how do I do this? I know the proof of the converse but that's no help obviously.
I know intuitively that an absolutely closed space should be complete: if you "imbed" the space in its completion, it will be a closed subset, and hence complete itself. But! We only know that any space is isometric to a subset of its completion, not that a completion containing the space exists (am I making sense?).
The problem seems to me that for a given metric space M, you do not know if there are any other metric spaces containing it.
I tried to show that the image of an absolutely closed metric space under an isometric function is itself absolutely closed, but I couldn't. If I could show that, then the image of M would be a closed subset of M's completion, and hence complete, thus M would be complete.

Any help?
 
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qspeechc said:
I know intuitively that an absolutely closed space should be complete: if you "imbed" the space in its completion, it will be a closed subset, and hence complete itself. But! We only know that any space is isometric to a subset of its completion, not that a completion containing the space exists (am I making sense?).

But isn't that isometry is also a bijection? Call a bijective isometry an isomorphism of metric spaces.

If two metrics spaces are isomorphic, and one of them is complete, then surely the other is too, since Cauchy sequences are preserved by isomorphisms.
 
Yes, but then we would have to show that the image of the absolutely closed space is also absolutely closed, or at least a closed subset of its completion. But it is not possible to show that the image of M as a subset of its completion is closed.

Lets say our isometry from M to a subset of its completion is f. We want to show f(M) is a closed subset of the completion of M, let's call it C.
Take a sequence in f(M) converging to some point in C...how do we show this limit is in f(M)?
 
I see...

But suppose we have constructed the completion (M',d') of (M,d) and h:M-->M' is an injective isometry. Can't we define M'' as M\cup (M'-h(M)) with the obvious metric, so that M'' is a complete metric space effectively containing M?
 
Yes, that looks like it will work.

The metric we will use on M'' takes on the values of the corresponding points in M'. We must first check M'' is complete: obvious. If x_n is Cauchy in M'', the corresponding sequence is Cauchy in M' and hence converges in M', so x_n converges to the corresponding point in M''. M is absolutely closed, so is a closed subset of M'', hence it is complete. Is this correct?

Thanks for your help quasar987, your solution is so obvious, yet I've been thinking about this problem for a few days.
 
I'm glad I could help!
 

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