Abstract Math: Beyond Category Theory

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The discussion revolves around the concept of abstraction in mathematics, specifically comparing category theory to other mathematical branches such as logic, set theory, sheaf theory, cohomology theories, and universal algebra. Participants explore the nature of abstraction and its measurement across different mathematical fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that sheaf theory, cohomology theories, and algebraic geometry are abstract, but their relationship to category theory in terms of abstraction is uncertain.
  • Logic is proposed by some as being on par with category theory regarding abstraction, though this is subject to differing opinions.
  • A participant notes that determining which mathematical fields are more or less abstract may require a clear definition of "abstract."
  • One participant argues that if category theory is the standard for abstraction, then other fields may not surpass it, but logic can be considered similarly abstract due to its foundational role in studying mathematical structures.
  • Model theory is mentioned as a branch that studies structures akin to universal algebra, contributing to the discussion on abstraction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the abstraction levels of different mathematical fields, indicating that there is no consensus on which areas are more abstract than others.

Contextual Notes

The discussion lacks a clear definition of "abstract," which may affect the comparison of abstraction levels among the mentioned mathematical fields.

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Category theory is considered extremely abstract. What are some other branches of mathematics which are considered as abstract or even more abstract then category theory?
 
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I don't think I'm in a position to answer this fully. Things like sheaf theory, cohomology theories, algebraic geometry can be pretty abstract.. they use category theory to some extent, but I don't know if they're 'more abstract'. Logic seems to me to be on an equal footing with category theory in terms of how abstract it can get, but a logician might disagree. Universal algebra is another example, though I've never learned any.
 
I rather expect that, in order to determine which of "category theory", "set theory", "logic", or "universal algebra" are more or less abstract, you will need an abstract definition of "abstract"!
 
For ease of comparison, let's just have category theory as a standard for what is abstract.

How is logic up there with category theory?
 
If you take category theory as the standard then since nothing is more like category theory than category theory everything else falls a bit short. :smile:

I suppose I'd put logic up there because while you use e.g. set theory and category theory to study mathematical structures, logic can be used to study both of these theories (set theory is a branch of logic). Model theory is another branch which studies structures in a similar way to universal algebra. To me the study of different types of logic purely for their own sake is as abstruse as studying categories. Just my opinion though.
 

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