Discussion Overview
The discussion revolves around the acidity and nucleophilicity of various oxygen-containing compounds, specifically comparing acetic acid (CH3COOH), methanol (CH3OH), acetate (CH3CO2-), and methoxide (CH3O-). Participants explore the relationship between acidity, basicity, and nucleophilicity, referencing pKa values and resonance stabilization.
Discussion Character
- Debate/contested
- Technical explanation
- Conceptual clarification
Main Points Raised
- One participant ranks the nucleophilicity of CH3CO2-, CH3OH, CH3O-, CH3CO2H, and NC-, suggesting that basicity parallels nucleophilicity for compounds with oxygen.
- Another participant argues that acetic acid is a stronger acid than methanol due to the resonance stabilization of its conjugate base, acetate.
- A participant questions the correctness of the book's answer regarding the nucleophilicity of acetic acid versus methanol, referencing an external link for clarification.
- Concerns are raised about the understanding of nucleophilicity and acidity, with one participant expressing confusion over whether memorization or debate is necessary to determine the relationship between these properties.
- One participant asserts that the book's answer is correct and explains that a conjugate base is always more nucleophilic than its corresponding acid, citing resonance stabilization as a key factor.
- Another participant highlights a potential misunderstanding of the book's answer, indicating a discrepancy between the book's claim and the views of other participants.
- One participant challenges the book's assertion by referencing the mechanism of esterification, suggesting that if acetic acid were more nucleophilic, it would be more likely to be protonated and attacked by methanol.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants express disagreement regarding the relative nucleophilicity and acidity of acetic acid and methanol, with some supporting the book's answer and others contesting it. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views present.
Contextual Notes
Participants reference pKa values and resonance stabilization but do not provide a consensus on the interpretation of these factors in relation to nucleophilicity and acidity.